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Hello Ruth

John Mownser baptised in Eastrington where Arthur and Betty were married (this is from the parish registers for Eastrington).

Best wishes

Kim

Thaks Kim
I think I may need to pay a visit to Beverley at some point. Where can I find the records showing John Mownser to be the son of Arthur and Betty? I have found John's birth on familysearch in 1791 and John Mounsor's marriage to Amelia in 1818. Also Arthur and Betty's marriage in 1789 but nothing to prove their connection for sure.
Ruth

While I was in Beverley, I had a quick flick through some bound register transcripts and found the 14 Nov 1694 burial in Bubwith of Magdalena Mownsey of Barmby and I also checked the Blacktoft entry for Betty Mounsier's baptism found on familysearch.org - the entry is correct and there is the additional information that they were living near New Village.

The transcripts went up to about 1812, the above were the only entries in Bubwith and Blacktoft.

Hemingbrough and York itself are possible locations for the birth of your Arthur senior. I'm sure you can discount Woolley - it's too far over and none of the other details fit with what we know.

16 May 1845 at South Cave
Arthur Mounser of full age, bachelor, a waterman, of Newport, son of John, a joiner
&
Ann Williamson of full age, spinster, of New Village, dau of Thomas Williamson, a coal merchant
Ann signed the register, Arthur made a mark
Witnesses were Charles Beverley & John Reynolds.

Ruth, the Ann who married Arthur looks to have been born 5-6 years after Amelia's illegitimate daughter (from census). Possibly a cousin.

HTH

Kim

Sounds downright illegal to me...I wonder (hope) it's a different Ann Williamson - a cousin? Do you have the marriage certificate, Ruth?

BWs
Kim

Kim

Regarding Ann the illegitimate daughter of Amelia Williamson, Amelia's son with John Mounsor, Arthur, married an Ann Williamson in 1845 in Beverley. This seems to suggest that Arthur married his half-sister. Was this a common practice?
Ruth

You're welcome, Ruth.
If I get the chance next week, I'll have another look and see if I can find out where Arthur came from and was buried. I'll also look at that marriage entry for Holy Trinity in Hull and see who the witnesses were and if any clue is given as to where they were living.

A pity they didn't stay in Howden as the Rector in the late 18thc was really helpful in giving occupations, areas and even ages and causes of death.

Best wishes

Kim

Hi A of GG and Kim.

Thank you both so much for your efforts. My internet has been down for 24 hours so have just seen your latest postings. I have seen the John Monsieur and Rebekah Stringer line before and agree that it doesn't quite fit.
Kim, I need to work through all the info that you've found but am quite excited about it; it seems promising. It's great to think you've probably found the mysterious Elizabeth. I did notice Arthur Mouncey in the Howden registers and wondered about him too.

Anyway it looks as though I've got plenty to keep me occupied for a while.

many thanks and Best wishes

Ruth

Nearly forgot this one, baptised at the Newport Mission on 24 Feb 1856:
Arthur Mouncer son of Arthur (a coal worker) & Ann of New Village. Born on 3 Feb

I looked at familysearch.org and a marraige between Arthur and Elizabeth/Betty Purdon is there but three different dates and two different venues are given. I wouldn't know if another Arthur Mounser married another Elizabeth Purdon in St Michael's in York but as far as Eastrington goes, the information I have given above is correct!

Best wishes

Kim

By the way, I looked at the Howden registers and there were quite a lot of Mounseys there in the 1500s and 1600s, then they seemed in the main to have moved on.

I was intrigued by the baptisms of Elizabeth and Ann Mounsey, daughters of Arthur on 22 Nov 1743 and 25 Apr 1745 respectively. Arthur was "of Asselby"...yet another village around there. I wonder if he is your John's greatgrandad (or maybe even grandad)

Betty Mounsier baptised 12 Sep 1803, Blacktoft, daughter of Arthur

And Elizabeth Purdon baptised 12 Apr 1772 in South Cave, daughter of Thomas Purdon.
or
Betty Purdon baptised 20 Jul 1769 in South Cave, daughter of John Purdon

There's also a marriage in South Cave between Thomas Purdon and Elizabeth Purdon 30 Dec 1760
and
John Purdon and Elizabeth Wildes 8 Jun 1762

Soooo annoying when they all call their children the same forename!

From familysearch.org

Amelia Williamson, daughter of John & Mary born 30 Sep 1793 and baptised 3 Jan 1794 in South Cave

Hi Ruth
A little success, I think. First, can I assume that your estimated birth year for John was based on the 1841 census? The ages given on the 1841 were often way out....Amelia Mounser, for example, was apparently 76 when she was buried in 1870....so born around 1794. I would recommend that you buy the 1848 death certificate for John and see what age is given there.

Now to the nitty-gritty.
Arthur Mounsor married Betty Purdon in Eastrington on 20 Jan 1789.
They had a son, Arthur, baptised 24 Nov 1789
and a son JOHN MOWNSER baptised 27 Feb 1791
The register states that they were living in Gilberdyke (which, like many of the villages around there, did not have its own church at the time)

Amelia WILLIAMSON, described as a labourer from Newport, had an illegitimate daughter, Ann, baptised in Eastrington on the 5 Nov 1816

The only other Mounser I could find in the baptisms between 1724-1863 was John and Amelia's son, George on the 15 Feb 1820. I also checked burials between 1790 and 1851 and could find no Mounsors or variants.

When I got home, I searched the familysearch site and came up with a Thomas Mounsor, son of Arthur and Elizabeth, born 3 Dec 1799 and baptised 15 Jan 1800 in South Cave.

Given the replication of the name Arthur, the presence of the widowed Elizabeth with John and Amelia in 1841 and the Eastrington connection, I think it is almost certain that your John was the son of Arthur and Betty/Elizabeth.

Best wishes

Kim

nicely put Kim!!!!! :-)

Ann,
Looks like a typical Ancestry tree to me! Pull a name and approximate date off the web and Bob's your auntie....

BWs

Kim in Hull

Joseph Monsieur
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

residence: York, England
parents: John Monsieur, Rebekah

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Joseph Monsieur
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 26 Feb 1797
baptism/christening place: WOOLLEY,YORK,ENGLAND
father's name: John Monsieur
mother's name: Rebekah
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source film number: 98544


George Monsieur
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

residence: York, England
parents: John Monsieur, Rebekah

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: George Monsieur
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 23 Jan 1783
baptism/christening place: WOOLLEY,YORK,ENGLAND
father's name: John Monsieur
mother's name: Rebekah
indexing project (batch) number: P01444-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 98544


William Monseur
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

residence: York, England
parents: John Monseur, Rebecca

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: William Monseur
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 26 Dec 1780
baptism/christening place: WOOLLEY,YORK,ENGLAND
father's name: John Monseur
mother's name: Rebecca
indexing project (batch) number: P01444-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 98544


Charles Monseur
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

residence: York, England
parents: John Monseur, Rebekah

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Charles Monseur
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 12 Jan 1779
baptism/christening place: WOOLLEY,YORK,ENGLAND
father's name: John Monseur
mother's name: Rebekah
indexing project (batch) number: P01444-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number:

Rebekah Monsieur
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

residence: York, England
parents: John Monsieur, Rebekah

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Rebekah Monsieur
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 06 Aug 1785
baptism/christening place: WOOLLEY,YORK,ENGLAND
father's name: John Monsieur
mother's name: Rebekah
indexing project (batch) number: P01444-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 98544