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5 Sep 2011 18:06 |
Hi I am looking for any information on Emily Wilhemina Jenkins b 1852 Halifax, Nova Scotia & her sister Charlotte Caroline (unsure of this middle name) Jenkins b 1856 Newfoundland, Canada. They were in England in Kenwyn, cornwall with their maiden Aunt Louisa / Laura Jenkins in 1871. I think Emily went on to marry Emile Wendling , a french professor & had two boys Lionel & Noel in Durham in 1881, but after that I cannot find them. I believe their father was Alfred Jenkins born 1818 in Truro but I cannot be sure of this even, he may have married in Canada. They both seem to disappear after 1881in England & their early life is a mystery, I have very little knowledge of how to find the early Canadian records, if there are any for these sisters. Any help on this would be appreciated, Marie.
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5 Sep 2011 18:12 |
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5 Sep 2011 18:52 |
Marriages Sep 1877 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jenkins Emily Wilhelmina Oundle 3b 329 WENDLING Emile Michel Oundle 3b 329
I cant see a birth for her anywhere.....how have you got to her and her sister please?
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5 Sep 2011 18:55 |
1881 England Census about Emily W. Wendling Name: Emily W. Wendling Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Emile M. Wendling Gender: Female Where born: Halifax, Canada Civil parish: Crossgate County/Island: Durham Country: England Street Address: 22 The Avenue Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Durham Sub-registration district: St Oswald ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4954 Folio: 32 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Emile M. Wendling 32 Emily W. Wendling 29 Lionel S. Wendling 2 Noel M. Wendling 1 Charlotte C. Jenkins 25 Hannah Bacon 20
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George
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5 Sep 2011 20:28 |
Thanks Ginny Like you I managed to trace them up to 1881 but then nothing. They may well have emigrated or died. I don't have a clue about the Canadian records, I spent hours trying to find anything . I did find an Alfred Jenkins b 1818 in England , mechanic, emigrating to New York in May 1841 . he may well have been the Girls father, who went on to Canada, like so many more people but nothing positive. Marie
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6 Sep 2011 18:37 |
Civil registration of BMDs began 1864 in NS, and 1892 in NL. You could try a look up at http://ngb.chebucto.org/
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chrissiex
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6 Sep 2011 19:22 |
https://www.novascotiagenealogy.com/
has one death ( no marriage ) of an Alfred Jenkins
Jenkins, Alfred Hammonds Plains, Halifax County 1929
and that seems rather too late ... it could be the death of the AJ born 1910 ... yes I forgot you can view images, and it was the 1910 Alfred
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6 Sep 2011 19:26 |
the Chebucto site ( use the general search box at the very bottom ) shows Charlotte in England in 1891
JENKINS Charlotte C 1856 35 F St Neots Huntingdonshire
here is that census
Name: Charlotte C Jenkins Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relation: Niece Gender: Female Where born: Nf, St John Civil parish: Dean County/Island: Bedfordshire
Octavia L Hoare 67 born Truro Charlotte C Jenkins 35 Maude Packwood 14
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7 Sep 2011 22:53 |
Hi Thanks everyone, there are a few possible clues on the sites suggested but some of the parish records missing. There is a note of a Samuel Jenkins born Bristol settling in Harbour Grace & raising a family . One of Alfred's siblings was born in Bristol but died as an infant. Alfred may have joined a brother or close family member there. There is also two Wilhemina Jenkins born Habour Grace but no details. Wilhemina was Alfred's mothers name. It may all be coincidence . So the search continues. chrissiex I think you have found one of the sisters in 1891 in bedford. Thanks again, Marie.
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8 Sep 2011 00:27 |
Charlotte is still in Bedfordshire in 1901, so it's looking like she didn't have offspring.
Name: Charlotte C Jenkins Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relation: Niece Gender: Female Where born: Nf, St John Civil parish: Dean
Octavia L Hoare 82 (died in 1901) Charlotte C Jenkins 45 Annie C Webb 37 Alice Bettles 15
just no trace of her after that in the 1911 or marrying or dying or leaving the country ( harder to tell ) after that, though.
for interest because Octavia Hoare is an aunt ... must be on the Jenkins sisters' mother's side of the family ?
Marriages Dec 1865 Chilcott Octavia Lucy Truro 5c 289 Hoare James Raper Truro 5c 289
1841 in Kenwyn, Cornwall
Elizth Chilcott 54 Lucy Chilcott 19 Edwd Chilcott 16
do you know who Alfred's wife was or where he came from ?
Marriages Dec 1845 BRANCH Grace Truro 9 380 Burrows John Truro 9 380 ? CHILCOTT Cornelia Cardew Truro 9 380 CUMING Stephen Truro 9 380 Jenkin John Truro 9 380 ? Jenkins Alfred Truro 9 380 NORTHEY Sally Truro 9 380 Sweet Jane Truro 9 380
Cornelia and Octavia certainly sound like sisters :-)
They aren't in the 1851 census and there is no death (or remarriage) for Cornelia Jenkins in the index.
Cornelia in 1841
Name: Cornelia Chilcott Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 Gender: Female Civil parish: St Mary Magdalen Hundred: Taunton County/Island: Somerset
not born in county, independent means, with one servant.
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8 Sep 2011 00:55 |
so look what I found at the Chebucto site !
http://ngb.chebucto.org/Stonepics/stonepics-hj.shtml
Stonepics Database
CD# -- Cemetery -- Name -- (Year of Record/Death) -- Number of Photographs
NF059 : STJ37 JENKINS, Cornelia Cardew (1857) - 5 photos
Alfred is not in that list
STJ = St John's
http://ngb.chebucto.org/Cemetery/1city-cem-idx.shtml
STJ37 - St John's 37 - Anglican, old, part 7 of 7
Newfoundland Cemetery ID: STJ37
Cemetery Name: St John's 37 - Anglican, old, part 7 of 7 On the big hill immediately southwest of STJ21-24 and adjacent to the prison. Very large and old with graves of many interesting people.
The CD costs $43 ( about £27) but with 5 photos of her grave it might be something to have
Marie can you tell us what your connection with the family is, it could help in searches ?
it sounds like Alfred may be a brother of of your ancestor ........... ?
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8 Sep 2011 01:42 |
from familysearch.org
name: Cornelia Cardew Chilcott gender: Female baptism/christening date: 25 Apr 1816 baptism/christening place: KENWYN,CORNWALL,ENGLAND father's name: John Williams Chilcott mother's name: Elizabeth indexing project (batch) number: C02295-1
searching there for children of those parents ... they eventually resorted to numbering their children ... Septima and Octavia :-)
there is a daughter Caroline, and also another daughter with middle name Cardew
I would bet that this is Alfred's birth, given his daughter Emily's middle name
name: Alfred Jenkins gender: Male baptism/christening date: 21 Oct 1814 baptism/christening place: St. Mary, Truro, Cornwall, England father's name: Robert Lovell Jenkins mother's name: Wilhelmine indexing project (batch) number: I01787-4
1841
Name: Wilhelmina Jenkyn Age: 60 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781 Gender: Female Civil parish: Kenwyn
Robt Jenkyn 65 - Captn Royal ... it looks like Miners, but Marines probably? Wilhelmina Jenkyn 60 - they are not born in county
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Name: Alfrd Jenks Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 not born in county Gender: Male Civil parish: Kenwyn
good heavens, I can't make out his occupation, but the next one in the household is a wild beastman ! ... the head of household is a labourer, then there are two musicians, then Alfred, yes, also a musician ... well, maybe not him ... ? but the only one I can find ... if he was seafaring, which would fit with going to Nova Scotia and Newfoundland, he might have been on vessels
Alfred 1814 had a sister
name: Emily Wilhelmina Jenkins gender: Female baptism/christening date: 21 Jul 1817 baptism/christening place: TRURO,CORNWALL,ENGLAND father's name: Robert Lovell Jenkins mother's name: Wilhelmina indexing project (batch) number: P00963-1
so that is the right Alfred baptism for sure
and yes Bristol
sister Louisa Lavery Jenkins 1811 Bristol sister Laura Charlotte Wilhelmina Jenkins 1805 Dover brother Robert Kantenkamp Jenkins 1807 Dover
these would all be in connection with the father's postings I imagine
aha 1851
Name: Wilhelmina Jenkins Age: 70 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781 Relation: Head Gender: F (Female) Where born: Exeter, Devon, England Civil parish: Kenwyn
Wilhelmina Jenkins 70 fundholder, widowed Laura C W Jenkins 45 gentle woman Emily W Jenkins 33 gentle woman Elizabeth Dennis 25 Jane Wade 22
neighbours are two Carlyon households -- very old wealthy family in the area
record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973 groom's name: Robert Lovell Jenkins bride's name: Wilheminha Hole marriage date: 25 Aug 1804 marriage place: Ilfracombe,Devon,England indexing project (batch) number: M05121-1
I wish I knew what you were actually looking for !
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8 Sep 2011 02:16 |
we are on a roll
name: Wilhelmina Hole gender: Female baptism/christening date: 21 Aug 1780 baptism/christening place: SAINT LEONARD,EXETER,DEVON,ENGLAND father's name: Richard Hole mother's name: Wilhelmina indexing project (batch) number: C05097-1
name: Robt. Lovell Jenkins gender: Male baptism/christening date: 17 Oct 1774 baptism/christening place: Blandford-Forum, Dorset, England father's name: Philip Jenkins mother's name: Eliz. indexing project (batch) number: C15808-1
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8 Sep 2011 04:54 |
The 1881 census shows that it was Lionel S Wendling, but his birth registration on ancestry indicates that his middle name did not begin with S
Lionel Tresy?Lian Wendling Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1878 Registration district: Durham Inferred County: Durham Volume: 10a Page: 374a
Do you know what his middle name was?
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8 Sep 2011 04:58 |
Noel's middle name was Merivale
Name: Noel Merivale Wendling Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1880 Registration district: Durham Inferred County: Durham Volume: 10a Page: 303
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8 Sep 2011 05:12 |
following through with Chrissie's finds ... and hoping to find the origin of Lionel and Noel's middle names!
record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name: Richard Hole bride's name: Wilhelmina Katenkamp marriage date: 28 Oct 1776 marriage place: Holy Trinity,Exeter,Devon,England indexing project (batch) number: M05090-1 system origin: England-ODM source film number: 917095
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record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973 groom's name: Philip Jenkins bride's name: Eliz. Clark marriage date: 12 Aug 1773 marriage place: Blandford-Forum, Dorset, England indexing project (batch) number: M15808-1 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 1279480
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8 Sep 2011 05:15 |
record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name: Emily Wilhelmine Jenkins bride's name: Emile Michel Wendling marriage date: 01 Jul 1877 marriage place: St. Margaret'S, Durham, Durham, England indexing project (batch) number: I04434-0 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 2104078
they've got the bride and groom's names reversed, but what the heck!
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8 Sep 2011 06:01 |
Sylv, his full name, from the GRO record
Lional Tresyllian Wendling
And his brother
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Noel Merivale Wendling Name: Noel Merivale Wendling Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1880 Registration district: Durham Inferred County: Durham Volume: 10a Page: 303
All I can think is that the family went to Germany as thats where the father was born
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8 Sep 2011 07:28 |
could there be an error on the age in 1911 ?
WENDLING EMILY F 1863 48 Westminster
probably not as she is living with
HOUSEHOLD WENDLING VALENTINE M 1865 46 Westminster
and in 1901 he is in Penge Surrey a waiter born in Italy ... which I think is messed up ( the whole list is ) and the insertion for Italy should have been the next one on the list and he is the one born in Germany
very probably related ?
in 1901 there are also Charles Wendling born abt 1854 in Germany, Alphonse Wendling born abt 1879 in Germany and Marie Wendling born abt 1880 in Germany, along with a couple of French Wendlings ... in 1881, Anthony Wendling born abt 1856 in Germany
1871 has an older Wendling couple from Germany
just thinking that if any had descendants they might know about Wendling family connections
someone here at genesreunited has a load of Wendlings born in Germany in their tree but none of these
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8 Sep 2011 08:15 |
oops we have a small complication here
in 1881 Emile M Wendling is
BA of the University of France Lecturer in Mod Languages at Durim Univ : Foreign Lang : Master at Durham School
and his place of birth is Strasbourg Alsace ... which is currently in France ... and which was only temporarily German after the Franco-Prussian war from 1871 until the Treaty of Versailles 1919
and given his graduation from the University of France during its existence I suspect that he was more French than German ... he may not have gone back to Strasbourg as it was under German rule after 1881
http://www.geopatronyme.com/
Wendlings born in France after 1891 ( the earliest date there )
1891-1915 : 1037 1916-1940 : 1202 1941-1965 : 1517 1966-1990 : 1238
there is a map for each period showing where the births were
http://www.geopatronyme.com/cgi-bin/carte/nomcarte.cgi?nom=wendling&submit=Valider&client=cdip
the site does not count births in Alsace during the period 1891-1915 however because it was under German rule
http://www.genealogie.com/v2/genealogie-service-bh/recherche.asp?nom=WENDLING&partner=Patro
I did a few searches but did not find the names of these family members in any records
I would be surprised if they returned to France during that period I think, they might more likely have emigrated to somewhere else
there is a contemporary musician composer named Lionel Wendling in France ( this is the English version of the website )
http://www.lionelwendling.com/homeEN.html
I think I might get in touch with him !
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