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Ongoing Irish birth help needed.

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Amy

Amy Report 5 Aug 2011 20:19

I am trying to trace my great grandfather but as he was born in Ireland, I am finding this hard. I know he was called John Doyle, born around 1896. He was 24 on his marriage cert in 1920.
It also shows his father as being Thomas Doyle, deceased.
I've trawled through the 1901 and 1911 ireland census for all households with a John and thomas and narrowed it down to 3.
How do i find out the definite one?
Please help, i am losing the will to live with this one.
Thank you

NicolaDunbyNocula

NicolaDunbyNocula Report 5 Aug 2011 20:24

Have you got the Birth Certificate? not sure if you are able to do that for Ireland as I don't know how it works through births you could also try to find a birth on the LDS site I think I saw on a thread that there are irish births on there too.

NicolaDunbyNocula

NicolaDunbyNocula Report 5 Aug 2011 20:34

Where did he Marry and with whom did he Marry? there maybe some parish records that will give father and mothers name

Amy

Amy Report 5 Aug 2011 20:36

He married Lucy Doyle in the UK May 1920. As he married a non catholic, his family disowned him, hence the reason no one knows anything about them.

Amy

Amy Report 5 Aug 2011 20:42

I can't order a birth cert for John doyle as i don't know which county he was born of his exact dob.

NicolaDunbyNocula

NicolaDunbyNocula Report 5 Aug 2011 20:42

Is this the Marriage??

Marriages Jun 1920 (>99%)
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Bray Alice V White Croydon 2a 892
Doyle John Friend Croydon 2a 892
Friend Lucy M Doyle Croydon 2a 892
White Cecil H Bray Croydon 2a 892

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 5 Aug 2011 20:48

Amy - on your first post timed at 20:19 click the edit button. That will give you access to change your heading - alter it to include something like help with Irish birth.

That way, one of the helpers who are very experienced in Irish records may be able to assist you.

It seems you have the marriage certificate - although deceased, does his father's occupation not help with the Irish census?

Amy

Amy Report 5 Aug 2011 20:55

Yes the marriage above is them.
Title changing now.......

Amy

Amy Report 5 Aug 2011 20:57

The occupation on the certificate says 'boot and shoe seller'. most of the occupations on the census are farmer etc. Struggling to find anything similar to the shoe/boot seller.

NicolaDunbyNocula

NicolaDunbyNocula Report 5 Aug 2011 20:57

Did he mention any brothers or sisters and mother...or any other relatives?

Amy

Amy Report 5 Aug 2011 21:00

No one else was ever discussed due to him being disowned. My grandmother said she never asked as it was a 'forbidden' subject when she was growing up. Both of the witnesses on the certificate were Lucy's family members so that doen't help either.

NicolaDunbyNocula

NicolaDunbyNocula Report 5 Aug 2011 21:06

I'm sure that someone on here will be able to help you find out some information :-)

Joy

Joy Report 5 Aug 2011 21:35

Amy, how do you know that he came from Ireland?

Amy

Amy Report 5 Aug 2011 21:39

Only because my grandmother had said. I don't have anything to support it though

Joy

Joy Report 5 Aug 2011 21:55

Ah. :)

Have you tried the British census as well as the Irish?

Amy

Amy Report 5 Aug 2011 22:08

This is his death details on ancestry:
Name: John T Doyle
Birth Date: abt 1895
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1954
Age at Death: 59
Registration district: Croydon
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 5g
Page: 102


Amy

Amy Report 5 Aug 2011 22:21

DOB IS 14th july 1895

Joy

Joy Report 5 Aug 2011 22:23

Thank you. I shall go a searching :)

Joy

Joy Report 5 Aug 2011 22:41

I have searched here
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/show#uri=http://hr-search-api:8080/searchapi/search/collection/1584963
and cannot find his birth registration - shall keep looking :)

NicolaDunbyNocula

NicolaDunbyNocula Report 5 Aug 2011 23:11

Looking back on this thread to what you said earlier about the census records for ireland, can you remember the places of birth for the 3 you narrowed down?