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John Jackson (c1843 Lancashire) and his wife Martha (1845 Kendal maiden name Grisdale) were Emma's parents. They are last on a census in Barrow in Furness 1881, and I can place them in Barrow as late as 1887 when one of their other children died.

They were my gg-grandparents - one of their children Margaret stayed in Barrow she was my g-grandmother.

I think they may have also gone to America around the same time as Emma.

Thanks for trying Ginny, but I don't think its them. Martha was born Kendal, Westmorland and their daughter Margaret was born in 1870 Barrow in Furness, Lancs. So doubtful they would have had a second child called Margaret.

The one child that could tie up is Lizzie, as my John/Martha had a daughter Mary Elizabeth born 1883 Barrow, but I haven't come across a Leonard or Charles

This is the family in 1881, but I can't read the 1871 census on GR:

JACKSON, John Head Married M 38 1843 Labourer Iron Works
Millington
Lancashire VIEW
JACKSON, Martha Wife Married F 37 1844
Kendal
Westmorland VIEW
JACKSON, Sarah A Daughter Single F 15 1866 Scholar
Millington
Lancashire VIEW
JACKSON, Emma Daughter Single F 13 1868 Scholar
Barrow
Lancashire VIEW
JACKSON, Margaret Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholar
Barrow
Lancashire VIEW
JACKSON, Robert Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar
Barrow
Lancashire VIEW
JACKSON, Maria M Daughter Single F 0 1881
Barrow
Lancashire VIEW
CROFT, John Boarder Single M 21 1860 Sawyer
Barrow
Lancashire VIEW
JACKSON, Martha A Daughter Single F 2 1879
Barrow
Lancashire VIEW

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
4289 Folio:
109 Page:
45

Registration District:
Barrow in Furness Sub District:
Barrow in Furness Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Barrow in Furness Municipal Borough:
Address:
13, Howe St, Barrow In Furness County:
Lancashire

added: Daughters Maria & Martha both died in 1882

Lizzie Jackson above was Lizzie not Elizabeth - most of the children's baptisms on lan-opc

Baptisms: 21 Jun 1882 Holy Trinity, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Lizzie Jackson - Daughter of John Jackson & Martha
Abode: 186 Derby Street
Occupation: Broker
Baptised by: John Lewis
Register: Baptisms 1879 - 1884, Page 211, Entry 1683
Source: LDS Film 1966124

Thanks Ann, that would probably rule out the family Ginny found.

I've been trying to register for the Ancestry free trial, but as I've already had one a year or so ago it won't let me. There are a couple of trees on there with Emma Jackson/James Henry Hurley's children on them. If anyone has a sub and a few minutes to spare could you check if the trees have anything about Emma's parents please?

edit: should have said the children Ginny found on the 1910 census in Pennsylvania.

I'll delete that then so as not confuse things

What about this....doubtful though

1900 United States Federal Census
about Martha Jackson
Name: Martha Jackson
Home in 1900: New Bedford Ward 6, Bristol, Massachusetts
[New Bedford, Bristol, Massachusetts]
Age: 60
Birth Date: Mar 1840
Birthplace: England
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1893
Relationship to head-of-house: Wife
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Mother: number of living children: 4
Mother: How many children: 5
Spouse's Name: John Jackson
Marriage year: 1860
Marital Status: Married
Years married: 40
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Jackson 58
Martha Jackson 60
Fred Jackson 24
Emma Jackson 22

Very doubtful, Emma Jackson was married by then, you've found her 1900/1910 as Emma Hurley in Pennsylvania with loads of children.

I may be completely wrong about them going to America, but going by what my grandmother said & not finding anything on them after 1887 it looked the most likely.

Trouble is finding a Jackson in passenger records isn't easy, which is why I thought their daughter Emma and her husband might have given a lead on the parents.

Thanks for keeping on trying Ginny, I really must think about getting an Ancestry sub when my GR sub runs out, can't really afford both!

do you have easy access to a library Flip?

many libraries have free access to Ancestry

I didn't realise they let you have free access, but no don't have easy access apart from when I take time off work. The local studies library doesn't open Saturdays nowadays.

The Dunn Hurley Tree on Ancestry does list James Henry Hurley's wife Emma Jackson as the daughter of John Jackson 1843 and Martha with the same census image given as your John and Martha in 1881

This looks like the family you found difficulty with reading on GR

1871

Name: John Jackson
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Martha Jackson
Gender: Male
Where born: Milnthorpe
Civil parish: Dalton
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Barrow
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Ulverston
Sub-registration district: Dalton
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Household schedule number: 34
Piece: 4244
Folio: 36
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
John Jackson 22 Steel Works Labourer
Martha Jackson 26 Kendal
Sarah Jackson b Minthorpe
Emma Jackson 3 b Barrow
Margret Jackson 1 Barrow

Thanks K,

yes this is the right family which I couldn't read in1871. This could be a better lead on John's birth, on 1881 census it is down as Millington Lancashire - but I can't find anywhere called Millington in Lancs. I'll check the Milnthorpe area for a birth, it's quite close to Kendal where they were married.

There is a tree on Ancestry that lists this John Jackson as the son of Samuel Jackson and Sarah Brennan as below in 1851 - Samuel is listed as born on 11 March 1817 in The Dixis Sandside Westmorland

The tree shown goes back a number of generationss

1851

Name: Samuel Jackson
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Jackson
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Milnthorpe, Westmorland, England

Civil parish: Heversham With Milnthorpe
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Milnthorpe
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Kendal
Sub-registration district: Kendal
ED, institution, or vessel: 8b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 37
Piece: 2442
Folio: 550
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Jackson 36
Sarah Jackson 34
Ellen Jackson 12
John Jackson 8
George Jackson 5
Hannah Jackson 3
Jane Jackson 1

That looks very promising, there's a John Jackson birth reg Kendal, which covered Milnthorpe, in 1844, and the John I'm looking at has an oldest daughter called Sarah - could be after his mother - I could be jumping to conclusions though!

Sandside is in the right area near Storth Milnthorpe. I'll phone my son later and see if I can use his name/credit card to get another free trial.

Thanks for this lead, I'll check out the area when I can next get some time at the records office, and try checking for Samuel on the GR trees.

added: Have just found a tree on GR with Samuel Jackson (born the Dixies) & Sarah Brennan, so sent a message to the owner to see if they can help.

It's abt 40 m by road from Lancaster to Dalton, and another 3m to Barrow. However, 3m out of Lancaster you can take to the sands at Hest Bank and a 9m hike over the sands takes you to Kent Pt, just S of Grange-over-Sands, saving abt 12m. From there, you can head W another 5m to Ulverstone, the last half of this leg again over the sands across the Leven Estuary, saving another 5 m. Obviously, this needs tidal cooperation and careful timing, but there's no great elevation change and I would say the trip is feasible.

Trips across the sands are not risk free. Not that it's terribly relevant, but when my brother was a student at Lancaster, he and a fellow student were out measuring something or other they got trapped by the tide on a bar over half a mile offshore. Fortunately (since it was pre-cell-phone days) they were seen by a fisherman who rowed out to rescue them - the water was mid-thigh by the time they were picked up.

NB Over the sands is a bit of a misnomer, since it's really nearly all mud.

Hi mgnv, guess you know the area too! Other parts of my ancestry moved between Beetham/Arnside and the Lindale/Cartmel area by walking the sands - one of them going back to the late 18th century was a "Tide Waiter" much respected of Arnside according to his gravestone. Though I'm not exactly sure what that was.

You can still walk the sands (or like you say more like the muds) now, but they recommend you only do it with a guide.

Your brother was very lucky to survive the tides, many (including rather a lot of cockle-pickers not so long ago) have not been so lucky. My own great-uncle drown on the crossing in the 1920s.

according to google a tide waiter was a customs officer

hard to imagine what a customs officer did in Arnside - make sure they did not smuggle copper out from Coniston???

fascinating watching the speed of the tide coming in at Arnside

There is an Ancestral file and several Pedigree Resource Files on Family Search which lists Samuel born in the Dixies and may help you

Thanks K, I'll take a look.

Going away for the next couple of weeks, so thank you all for the help

atb
Flip

Back with another request please.

I've managed to find Robert Jackson on the Family Search 1900/1910 census in Port Vue, Allegheny, Pennsylvania - with wife Cetie on 1900 but Calle B in 1910. Says he emigrated 1889, and they had been married 5 years, but I can't find a marriage. She was born Pennsylvania according to the census.

On the 1900 census Robert's father John was with him, a widow, it says he emigrated 1888 and he is a widow. John was not with the family 1910.

Trying to find the death of John Jackson's wife Martha (nee Grisdale), she was born Kendal, Westmorland 1845. Also the death for John, he was born Milnthorpe, Westmorland 1844.

Don't think Martha died in UK, think she may have gone to US with John and then died there.

Any help greatly appreciated.

Added: I've just found Celia B Jackson still in the area 1920, but a widow. Her father in law John Jackson is with the family, but this is from Family Search so no other details on there.