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farmer

farmer Report 26 Jun 2011 16:52

RE My gggrandmother was married 3 times


1 GEORGE DALE BORN 1810 MOWCOP STAFFS BRIDE EMMA RUTLEDGE BORN 1834
2SAMUEL MOLD NO BIRTH DETAILS WED EMMA DALE 1857 ST MARGRETS WOLSTANTON.

3 EMMA MOULD WED TO JOHN STANYER1863 ST MARGRETS WOLSTANTON

I NEED WEDDING DETAILS OF A THREE WEDDINGS AND THE DETAILS OF DEATH OF ALL THREE MEN . AFTER EMMA HAD LEFT ONE OF THESE MEN HE WAS FOUND DEAD UNDER SUSPIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES THE POLICE ASKED EMMA TO ID THE MAN

INEED TO GET ALL 3 WED CERTS
AND 3 DEATH CERTS FOR THE MEN ALL RECORDS IN WOLSTANTON AREA MANY THANKS FOR ANY HELP JOHN :-)

Kuros

Kuros Report 26 Jun 2011 17:02

Have you looked on freebmd for the deaths and marriages? These entries will give you the numbers you need to order the certificates as long as they were before 1837.

Maddie

Maddie Report 26 Jun 2011 17:03

England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940 about Samuel Mould
Name: Samuel Mould
Gender: Male
Father's name: John Mould
Spouse's Name: Emma Dale
Spouse's Father's Name: William Dale
Marriage Date: 7 Dec 1857
Marriage Place: Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 about Samuel Mould
Name: Samuel Mould
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1857
Registration district: Wolstanton
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume Number: 6b
Page Number: 204 (click to see others on page)

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 26 Jun 2011 17:04

For reference, Emma in 1861?

DALE, William Head Married M 58 1803 Stone Getter ... Staffordshire
DALE, Ann Wife Married F 54 1807 Mow Cop Staffordshire
MOULD, Emma Daughter Widow F 28 1833 Sand Founder Mow Cop Staffordshire
MOULD, Geo Grandson M 9 1852 Mow Cop Staffordshire
MOULD, Elizabeth Granddaughter F 7 1854 Mow Cop Staffordshire
MOULD, Joseph Grandson M 4 1857 Mow Cop Staffordshire
MOULD, Sarah A Granddaughter F 0 (11M) 1861 Mow Cop Staffordshire

Registration District: Wolstanton
Sub District: 2 Tunstall
Enumeration District: 5
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Thomas Mow Cop

Civil Parish: Brieryhurst
Municipal Borough:

Address: Mow Cop, Brieryhurst County: Staffordshire

Maddie

Maddie Report 26 Jun 2011 17:04

England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940 about Emma Mould
Name: Emma Mould
[Emma Dale]
Gender: Female
Father's name: William Dale
Spouse's Name: John Stanyer
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Stanyer
Marriage Date: 20 Apr 1863
Marriage Place: Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 about Emma Mould
Name: Emma Mould
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1863
Registration district: Wolstanton
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume Number: 6b
Page Number: 163 (click to see others on page)

LondonBelle

LondonBelle Report 26 Jun 2011 17:06

Emma's marriage to George Dale?

Marriages Mar 1853
>>>DALE George Wolstanton 6b 113
HARDING Emma Wolstanton 6b 113
>>>RUTLEDGE Emma Wolstanton 6b 113
TOMKINSON Henry Wolstanton 6b 113

farmer

farmer Report 26 Jun 2011 17:06

YES 06 OCT1834 EMMA GEORGE1810 DONT KNOW A THING ABOUT THE OTHERS

Maddie

Maddie Report 26 Jun 2011 17:11

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 about George Dale
Name: George Dale
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1853
Registration district: Wolstanton
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume Number: 6b
Page Number: 113 (click to see others on page)
married emma rutledge

farmer

farmer Report 26 Jun 2011 17:16

EMMAS MAIDEN NAME WAS RUTLEDGE FATHERS NAME JOHN RUTLEDGE BORN IN IRELAND 1801

LondonBelle

LondonBelle Report 26 Jun 2011 17:16

If 1861 census above is correct I'm just wondering whether Emma was born Emma Dale not Rutledge....following is 1851 census

Name: William Dall
[William Dale]
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Dall
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Cob Moore, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Brieryhurst
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: Mow Cop

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub-registration district: Wolstanton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 44
Piece: 2002
Folio: 263
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
William Dall 47
Ann Dall 43
>>>>>Emma Dall 18 Surname on image for family is Dale
John Dall 15
William Dall 13
Lyda Dall 12
Joseph Dall 9
Mary Bailey 21
Hannah Bailey 1

farmer

farmer Report 26 Jun 2011 17:23

LONDONBELLE IT WAS RUTLEDGE AND FIRST HUSBAND WAS GEORGE AND HIS FATHER WAS GEORGE BORN ABT 1782

LondonBelle

LondonBelle Report 26 Jun 2011 17:25

How have you come about the other 2 marriages? It states that that Emma's father's name was Wiliam Dale for both of those marriages.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 26 Jun 2011 17:29

Can't see a death for George Dale that fits between 1853 and 1857 - just these two:

Deaths Mar 1859
Dale George Wolstanton 6b 64
Dale George Wolstanton 6b 64

I have doubts that she was a Rutledge marrying a Dale - what proof do you have that your information is correct?

The census etc points otherwise.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 26 Jun 2011 17:34

I think this may be Emma Rutledge and George Dale in 1861 - a different couple?

DALE, George Head Married M 51 1810 Grocer Wolstanton Staffordshire
DALE, Emma Wife Married F 29 1832 Wolstanton Staffordshire
DALE, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 13 1848 Scholar Wolstanton Staffordshire
DALE, George Son Unmarried M 8 1853 Scholar Wolstanton Staffordshire
DALE, Hannah Daughter Unmarried F 6 1855 Scholar Wolstanton Staffordshire
DALE, Henry Son Unmarried M 1 1860 Wolstanton Staffordshire
WARRAN, Sarah Servant Unmarried F 15 1846 Macclesfield Cheshire

Registration District: Wolstanton
Sub District: 2 Tunstall
Enumeration District: 4
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Thomas Mow Cop
Civil Parish: Brieryhurst
Municipal Borough:

Address: Grocers Shop, Rookery, Brieryhurst County: Staffordshire

LondonBelle

LondonBelle Report 26 Jun 2011 17:34

There is this George & Emma Dale in 1861 census? If correct then I don't think your Emma married the other 2 gentlemen

Name: George Dale
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma Dale
Gender: Male
Where born: Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Brieryhurst
Ecclesiastical parish: Mowcop St Thomas
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub-registration district: Tunstall
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 102
Piece: 1923
Folio: 97
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
George Dale 51
Emma Dale 29
Elizabeth Dale 13
George Dale 8
Hannah Dale 6
Henry Dale 1
Sarah Warren 15

EDIT

Snap MarieCeleste!

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 26 Jun 2011 17:37

Great minds Londonbelle!

That couple are still together in 1871, and Emma is widow Dale in 1881.

JOHN - there definitely seems to be two different Emmas involved.

Which child of which Emma are you directly descended from? We'll then make sure you're on the right lines.

LondonBelle

LondonBelle Report 26 Jun 2011 17:41

If 1861 census correct then this could be Emma & George in 1871 census

Name: Emma Dale
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George Dale
Gender: Female
Where born: Rookery
Civil parish: Brieryhurst
Ecclesiastical parish: Mowcop
Town: Rookery
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub-registration district: Tunstall
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 116
Piece: 2843
Folio: 16
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
George Dale 61
Emma Dale 36
George Dale 18
Hannah Dale 16
Henry Dale 11
Rachel Dale 2
Sarah Alice Dale 3 Months

farmer

farmer Report 26 Jun 2011 17:42

EMMA WAS BRN TO JOHN RUTLEDGE AND ELIZABETH SWINGWOD I BELIEVE DATES ARE CORRECT BUT I KNOW NOTHING AT ALL ABOUT NO 2 AND3 HUSBANDS I WAS LOOKING TO FIND 2 3 WED DETAILS and possible DEATHS OF ALL HUSBANDS

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 26 Jun 2011 17:46

John, you need to carefully read back over what we've posted.

The Emma Rutledge who married George Dale is not the same Emma who married Samuel Mould and John Stanyer. She appears to be a lady who was born Emma Dale to parents William and Ann.

As previously asked, who is your direct ancestor?

farmer

farmer Report 26 Jun 2011 17:46

RACHEL DALE 6 FEB 1869 THE 1861 IS RIGHT GEORGE AND EMMA LOOKS LIKE I HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE WRONG INFO THIS DEATH IS VERY HARD TO FIND THANKS VERY MUCH TO YOU ALL JOHN