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JoyLouise
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24 Jun 2011 11:01 |
Wonder if anyone can help with hubbie's side of tree, please?
He's been searching for the surname of James Newton's wife, Annie, born at Highheath, Staffordshire in 1857 and has not been able to trace it.
Any help would be much appreciated by him.
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Maddie
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24 Jun 2011 11:14 |
is this them in 1901 NEWTON, Annie Head Married F 44 1857 Potter's Warehousewoman Fenton Staffordshire VIEW NEWTON, James Son Single M 8 1893 Longton Staffordshire VIEW NEWTON, Edward Son Single M 4 1897 Longton Staffordshire VIEW NEWTON, Fanny Boarder Single F 44 1857 Charwoman London VIEW REDFERN, Lucy Boarder Single F 36 1865 Charwoman Longton Staffordshire VIEW RG number: RG13 Piece: 2616 Folio: 104 Page: 9 Registration District: Stoke upon Trent Sub District: Longton Enumeration District: 19 Ecclesiastical Parish: Edensor St Paul Civil Parish: Lonton Municipal Borough: Address: 24, Bolton's Court, Lonton, Longton County: Staffordshire
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JoyLouise
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24 Jun 2011 11:17 |
Thanks Maddie, but I think it's not his!
James Newton was born in abt 1857 at Northumberland (Newburn) but we know nothing about his forefathers either.
I'm afraid we do not even know where they married or when.
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Maddie
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24 Jun 2011 11:21 |
this could be james in 1861 living in newburn NEWTON, Thomas Married M 28 1833 Coal Miner Newburn VIEW NEWTON, Mary Wife Married F 25 1836 Newburn VIEW NEWTON, Pattison Son M 7 1854 Scholar Newburn VIEW NEWTON, John Thos Son M 5 1856 Newburn VIEW NEWTON, James Son M 3 1858 Newburn VIEW NEWTON, Isabella Daughter F 0 (9M) 1861 Newburn VIEW RG number: RG09 Piece: 3855 Folio: 65 Page: 4 Registration District: Castle Ward Sub District: 2 Stamfordham Enumeration District: 12 Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish: Newburn Municipal Borough: Address: Newburn Village, Newburn County: Northumberland
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Helen
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24 Jun 2011 11:22 |
1901 England Census about James Newton Name: James Newton Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Annie Newton Gender: Male Where born: Newburn, Northumberland, England Civil parish: Throckley Ecclesiastical parish: Newburn St Michael Town: Throckley County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Castleward Sub-registration district: Newburn ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 59 Piece: 4818 Folio: 9 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age James Newton 43 Annie Newton 44 Thomas Newton 16 May Ann Newton 14 Isabella Newton 10 Richard Newton 9 John Newton 7 Edward Newton 5 Sarah G Newton 3
Is this them?
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Helen
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24 Jun 2011 11:24 |
1891 England Census about James Newton Name: James Newton Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Newton Gender: Male Where born: Newburn, Northumberland, England Civil parish: Wallbottle Ecclesiastical parish: Newburn Town: Wallbottle County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Castle Ward Sub-registration district: Stamfordham ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4243 Folio: 20 Page Number: 34 Household Members: Name Age James Newton 32 Mary Newton 28 Thomas Newton 6 Mary A Newton 3 Isabella Newton 7/12 View Original Record
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Helen
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24 Jun 2011 11:27 |
RG14PN30877 RG78PN1765 RD560 SD3 ED7 SN61 Reg. District: Castle Ward Sub District: Newburn Parish: Newburn Hall Enum. District: 7 Address: 20 Stanley St Lemington O/t County: Northumberland Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
NEWTON, Thomas Head Married 55 years M 78 1833 Coal Miner Hewer Northumberland Newburn NEWTON, Mary Wife Married 55 years F 76 1835 Northumberland Newburn NEWTON, Padison Son Married M 57 1854 Coal Miner Hewer None Worker Northumberland Newburn NEWTON, James Son Married M 53 1858 Coal Miner Hewer Northumberland Newburn NEWTON, Peter Son Single M 36 1875 Stoneman Miner Northumberland Northwallbottle NEWTON, Edward Grandson Single M 15 1896 Driver Pit Pony Northumberland Throckley NEWTON, Sarah Grandagter F 13 1898 School Northumberland Throckley
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Potty
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24 Jun 2011 11:28 |
So, are Annie and Mary the same person or did Mary die and James remarry?
The children's birth certs will give mother's maiden names.
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Potty
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24 Jun 2011 11:35 |
Possible birth for Sarah G:
Births Dec 1897 (>99%) Newton Sarah Gair Castle W. 10b 334
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Potty
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24 Jun 2011 11:36 |
Possible birth for Isabella:
Births Sep 1890 (>99%) Newton Isabella Castle W. 10b 324
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Potty
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24 Jun 2011 11:43 |
Joyce,
you really need to get some of the children's birth certs to confirm Mary/Annie's maiden name. Without that info, anything else is guesswork.
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Barry
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24 Jun 2011 12:19 |
According to the GASKELL family tree on Ancestry James Newton married a Mary Ann DAVY who was born in Staffordshire, in Tynemouth Northumberland The tree states they were married in 1979 but when one clicks onto the BMD provided for reference it states Q3 1883 ref 10b 335 Mary Ann died in 1909 in Northumberland If the tree is correct it looks to me that Mary Ann used Mary on the 1891 census and her middle name on the 1901 census
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Maddie
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24 Jun 2011 12:52 |
this is the marraige Barry mentions BMD Search result details
Civil Registration event: Marriage Name: NEWTON, James Registration District: Help Tynemouth County: Northumberland Year of Registration: 1883 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912 Volume No: Help 10B Page No: Help 335 MarriageFinder™: James Newton married one of the following people Help
DAVY, Mary Ann view record according to the tree james parents were thomas and mary taylor
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Helen
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24 Jun 2011 13:06 |
1841 England Census about Thomas Newton Name: Thomas Newton Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833 Gender: Male Where born: Northumberland, England Civil parish: Newburn Hundred: Castle (West Division) County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: View image Registration district: Castle Ward Sub-registration district: Stamfordham Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 823 Book: 9 Folio: 9 Page Number: 12 Household Members: Name Age Pattison Newton 30 Isabella Newton 30 Jane Newton 10 Thomas Newton 8 Ann Newton 6 John Newton 4 James Newton 1
Thomas and parents
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Maddie
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24 Jun 2011 13:11 |
thomas's marraige BMD Search result details
Civil Registration event: Marriage Name: NEWTON, Thomas Registration District: Help East Ward County: Westmorland Year of Registration: 1855 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912 Volume No: Help 10B Page No: Help 339 MarriageFinder™: Thomas Newton married one of the following people Help
TAYLOR, Mary view record
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JoyLouise
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24 Jun 2011 13:56 |
Thanks everyone. Thomas>James looks right.
James and Annie producing John (we thought John Boald Newton) around 1894 looks like what hubby was searching for.
We know our John B N (known as Jack) married an Ellen Holden b Lancashire and produced a son and a daughter who died in infancy (no idea of time/name) - so James and Annie look like the grandparents.
Hubby's got the gene bug, I'm afraid, so I'll have to fight for my time on the computer!
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JoyLouise
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24 Jun 2011 14:07 |
Joyce again. I've had a quick look and think Mary and Annie may be two different people because:
1901 Census: Annie age 44 1891 Census: Mary age 28
Can there really be that much different in recording ages in censuses?
I may have found the skeleton my husband never thought he had in his tree (and he thought I was the only one with skeletons).
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JoyLouise
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24 Jun 2011 16:59 |
Found John Bould Newton's birth - no mmn given; reg. Castle Ward, 1893 3Q. Found his son (H H Newton) and daughter-in-law (E McDonald).
Still searching to be sure of Mary Ann.
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Maddie
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24 Jun 2011 17:42 |
could these be a possibilty BMD Search result details
Civil Registration event: Marriage Name: NEWTON, James Dodd Registration District: Help Castle Ward County: Northumberland Year of Registration: 1891 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912 Volume No: Help 10B Page No: Help 452 MarriageFinder™: James Dodd Newton married one of the following people Help THOMPSON, Mary view record
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Civil Registration event: Marriage Name: NEWTON, James Registration District: Help Newcastle upon Tyne County: Northumberland Year of Registration: 1883 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912 Volume No: Help 10B Page No: Help 3 MarriageFinder™: James Newton married one of the following people Help
BOULD, Mary view record
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Civil Registration event: Death Name: NEWTON, Mary Registration District: Help Castle Ward County: Northumberland Year of Registration: 1899 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun Age at death: 36 Volume No: 10B Page No: 198 Printer friendly version
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BMD Search result details
Civil Registration event: Marriage Name: NEWTON, James Registration District: Help Castle Ward County: Northumberland Year of Registration: 1899 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912 Volume No: Help 10B Page No: Help 537 MarriageFinder™: James Newton married one of the following people Help
ERRINGTON, Annie view record
probably a shot in the dark maddie
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Maddie
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24 Jun 2011 17:51 |
strangely James not living with a wife in 1911 NEWTON, Thomas Head Married 55 years M 78 1833 Coal Miner Hewer Northumberland Newburn VIEW NEWTON, Mary Wife Married 55 years F 76 1835 Northumberland Newburn VIEW NEWTON, Padison Son Married M 57 1854 Coal Miner Hewer None Worker Northumberland Newburn VIEW NEWTON, James Son Married M 53 1858 Coal Miner Hewer Northumberland Newburn VIEW NEWTON, Peter Son Single M 36 1875 Stoneman Miner Northumberland Northwallbottle VIEW NEWTON, Edward Grandson Single M 15 1896 Driver Pit Pony Northumberland Throckley VIEW NEWTON, Sarah Grandagter F 13 1898 School Northumberland Throckley VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 30877 Reference: RG14PN30877 RG78PN1765 RD560 SD3 ED7 SN61 Registration District: Castle Ward Sub District: Newburn Enumeration District: 7 Parish: Newburn Hall Address: 20 Stanley St Lemington O/t County: Northumberland
it says he has been married for 24 years
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