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12 Jun 2011 10:52 |
Can any one help, ive been tracing my wife tree back but have got stuck on william curtis born 1865,give or take a year, born in london, i have his marriage cert, he married mary baines 7 may 1887 in islington london, his fathers name is given as samuel, who is deceased, i cant seem to find william before this date, a fresh pair of eyes may find something. :-S
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12 Jun 2011 10:55 |
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1871 England Census about William Curtis Name: William Curtis Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation: Son Father's name: Samuel J P Curtis Mother's name: Mary Ann Curtis Gender: Male Where born: Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Islington St Andrew Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthias County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Islington Household Members: Name Age Samuel J P Curtis 45 (Occupation Saddler) Born Tottness Devon Mary Ann Curtis 48 Born Paignton Devon Samuel W Curtis 16 Helen Curtis 15 Alfred Curtis 12 William Curtis 10
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The same family.........
1861 England Census about William Curtis Name: William Curtis Age: 2 MO Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation: Son Father's name: Samuel Curtis Mother's name: Helen Curtis Gender: Male Where born: Pancras, Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Pancras Ecclesiastical parish: Regent Square County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Pancras Sub-registration district: Grays Inn Lane ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 287 Piece: 106 Folio: 90 Page Number: 38 Household Members: Name Age Samuel Curtis 35 (Saddler) Totness Helen Curtis 31 Paignton Samuel Curtis 6 Helen Curtis 5 Alfred Curtis 2 William Curtis 2 MO Mary A Wallis 40 (Sister) Unmarried
1881 England Census about Mary A. Curtis Name: Mary A. Curtis Age: 53 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Paignton, Devon, England Civil parish: Islington County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 55 Roman Road Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower) Household Members: Name Age Mary A. Curtis 53 Albert Curtis 7 (Grandson)
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Deaths Jun 1880 (>99%) Curtis Samuel 55 Islington 1b 127
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brummiejan
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12 Jun 2011 10:59 |
Keith, I advise you to give every scrap of info from the cert. Namely address, occupation, father's occupation and names of witnesses. Jan
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patchem
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12 Jun 2011 11:23 |
As Jan says, all information please, as not sure if this is the correct family in 1891? 1891 England Census William Curtis Age: 27 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary S Curtis Gender: Male Where born: Islington, London, England Civil parish: Islington Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 40 Tremlett Grove Occupation: provision's assistant Islington Sub-registration district: Upper Holloway ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Piece: 141 Folio: 110 Page Number: 33 William Curtis 27 Mary S Curtis 36 Andrew W Curtis 1 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 141; Folio 110; Page 33; GSU roll: 6095251.
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Keith
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12 Jun 2011 11:34 |
thanks for all that, could be the correct one , i have the marriage cert in front of me marriage date as before 7 may 1887 islington william age 22 mary 20 both living at 130 pembroke street witnesses e baines and t or s baines, samuel ,williams father although decessed profession is given as varnish maker.
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patchem
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12 Jun 2011 11:36 |
What child of William and Mary is your wife descended from? Mary Baines born 1867 according to that marriage certificate. Thanks
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Keith
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12 Jun 2011 11:39 |
alfred 1898
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patchem
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12 Jun 2011 11:43 |
Is Alfred with William and Mary in 1901? Thank-you
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12 Jun 2011 11:43 |
Varnish maker/Saddler are the 2 occupations connected??
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Keith
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12 Jun 2011 11:46 |
yes he is with william and mary
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patchem
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12 Jun 2011 11:48 |
Is this them in 1901, as James must be from a previous relationship? 1901 England Census William Curtis Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Curtis Gender: Male Where born: Islington, London, England Civil parish: Deptford St Paul Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 168 Evelyn Street Occupation: Slaughterman Registration district: Greenwich Sub-registration district: Deptford, North ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Household schedule number: 23 Piece: 524 Folio: 143 Page Number: 4
William Curtis 35 Mary Curtis 31 James Curtis 18 Deptford Thomas Curtis 5 Deptford Alfred Curtis 3 Deptford Emily Curtis 2 Months Deptford
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 524; Folio: 143; Page: 4.
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Keith
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12 Jun 2011 11:48 |
i suppose both occupation could be connected :-)
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Keith
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12 Jun 2011 11:49 |
yes that the family in 1901
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PricklyHolly
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12 Jun 2011 11:51 |
?? Has age 18 for James been mistranscibed on the 1901?
1911 census - household transcription Person: CURTIS, Alfred Address: 15 Frankham St Deptford CURTIS, William Head Married M 46 1865 Slaughter Man London Islington VIEW CURTIS, Mary Wife Married 24 years F 41 1870 Housekeeper London Islington VIEW CURTIS, James Son Single M 18 1893 Painters Labourer London Deptford VIEW CURTIS, Thomas Son Single M 15 1896 Baker Boy London Deptford VIEW CURTIS, Alfred Son M 13 1898 School London Deptford VIEW CURTIS, Emily Daughter F 11 1900 School London Deptford VIEW CURTIS, Ellen Daughter F 5 1906 School London Deptford VIEW CURTIS, Anne Daughter F 1 1910 London Deptford VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 2626 Reference: RG14PN2626 RG78PN89 RD28 SD2 ED3 SN243 Registration District: Greenwich Sub District: Deptford East Enumeration District: 3 Parish: St Paul Deptford Address: 15 Frankham St Deptford County: London
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patchem
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12 Jun 2011 11:53 |
As James is 18 in 1901 and 1911, wrongly copied down in 1901? William's age does seem to be around 1865 throughout.
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Keith
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12 Jun 2011 12:04 |
a big thankyou to you all for your time, and for the info :-D
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patchem
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12 Jun 2011 12:07 |
This is the only William/Samuel combination showing: William John Curtis Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1869 Baptism Date: 26 Dec 1869 Father's name: Samuel Curtis - Shoemaker Mother's name: Clara Curtis Parish or Poor Law Union: Spitalfields St Stephen Borough: Tower Hamlets
Could William have been his second name (nothing showing for London births though)?
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Keith
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12 Jun 2011 12:12 |
i,ll have to do more digging :-)
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PricklyHolly
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12 Jun 2011 12:24 |
1841 England Census about Samuel John Pubman Curtis Name: Samuel John Pubman Curtis Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Gender: Male Civil parish: Totnes Hundred: Coleridge County/Island: Devon Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: View image Registration district: Totnes Sub-registration district: Totnes Household Members: Name Age Samuel Periam Curtis 40 Elizabeth Clarke Curtis 37 Elizabeth Calman Curtis 17 Samuel John Pubman Curtis 15 Mary Jane Curtis 14 Hannah Grace Curtis 12 Wm Periam Curtis 10 Fanny Sherry Curtis 8 Coma Maria Curtis 6 Harris Terry Curtis 6 Thomas Clarke Curtis 13
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Chris Ho :)
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12 Jun 2011 12:27 |
Name: Samuel Curtis (Harness Maker) (Widower) Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828 Spouse Name: Mary Ann Wallis Spouse Age: 40 Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 26 Apr 1863 Parish: St John, Clerkenwell County: Middlesex Borough: Islington Father Name: Samuel Curtis Spouse Father Name: Samuel Wallis
(looking at above image, could varnish be mistaken for harness on William's marriage Cert. not seeing that on London Marriages)
Chris :)
Marriages Dec 1852 (>99%) CURTIS Samuel John Pulman Clerkenwell 1b 689 WALLIS Helen Clerkenwell 1b 689
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