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Little Island Cove is on the next peninsular W of St John's, separating Trinity Bay from Conception Bay. Little Island Cove is abt 50km N of Carbonear and abt 20km from the tip of the peninsular. It's on the E (Conception Bay) side, but it's outside Conception Bay by then.

I stumbled across this 1913 directory - possibly of interest
http://www.archive.org/details/yearbooknfld191300uoft

No worries I adopt anybody or every bodies say so and when I get a spare few hours I will check it all out.....just the names and dates tally with what I have in my tree the family I definitely know about like Irene Lena Vail my grandmother she lived with us in England so I know all about my nan and the Time she spent with us x <3

Ah! That is what I've been meaning to ask! -- you aren't in Canada?

This makes more sense now, that you'd be unfamiliar with the family here in Canada.

Just for our info, your grandmother's death record (it helps us grasp the family info to see records):

Name: Irene Lena Vail
Birth Date: 30 May 1916
Date of Registration: May 1984
Age at Death: 68
Registration district: Hull
Inferred County: Yorkshire
Volume: 7
Page: 640

No I'm not in Canada but I was born there.... I'm in England Ive lived here since I was six my Mum went back across to Canada to bring my Nanny to live with us ...yes thats my Nanny Vail the one and only xxx :D

Thanks mgnv all my family live around that area....I was born in Grace Hospital.....That must be near by in that area some where xx

Grace hospitals are usually Sally Ann hospitals, very often maternity hospitals. The Salvation Army is very strong in Nfld.

... This is probably the one -- there's a lovely picture here:

http://www.heritage.nf.ca/society/grace_hospital_500.html

The Grace Hospital, St. John's, Newfoundland.
The Salvation Army supported the construction of the Grace Hospital. The Grace was the first maternity care unit in Newfoundland.

http://www.releases.gov.nl.ca/releases/2006/tw/1117n01.htm

The first Grace Hospital was constructed in 1922 and was known as the Grace Maternity Hospital. Major extensions were added in 1955 and 1965 and a nurses’ residence was added in 1964. The facility is currently known as the Grace General Hospital and is owned by the Department of Health and Community Services (HCS) and was operated by the Health Care Corporation of St. John’s. Upon the facility being vacated, responsibility for the facility was turned over to the Department of Transportation and Works.

I think Ive got the very same photo of the hospital in my tree ....in 2005 when Mum became ill we nearly last her she had a very bad stoke some brain damage and she was paralyzed as well when she became a bit better were she could speak I started asking her questions and thats how my family tree began......I dont know why I dont think about it before My Mum was the only link I had in England that know anything about our family. x <3

Thanks for all the links Im searching Vital statistics not finding much yet but hoping to become good at searching/ finding information x <3

FYI - NL BMDs
In Newfoundland, records date from 1892 and are in the custody of:

Vital Statistics [www.gs.gov.nl.ca/gs/vs/]
Government Service Centre
Department of Government Services and Lands
5 Mews Place
PO Box 8700
St. John's, NL
A1B 4J6

For earlier years, the only source is church records, which are numerous for the period from 1860 to 1891, with a few returns as early as the 1820s. The Maritime History Archive has published Births, Deaths & Marriages in Newfoundland Newspapers, 1810 - 1890 on CD-Rom with more than 40,000 entries for births, deaths and marriages transcribed from 43 Newfoundland newspapers, 1810-1890. Inquiries concerning records prior to 1892 should be addressed to the Provincial Archives of Newfoundland and Labrador.

Provincial Archives Division
The Rooms Corporation of Newfoundland and Labrador
9 Bonaventure Avenue
P.O. Box 1800, Station C
St. John's, NL A1C 5P9
Telephone: 709-757-8030
Fax: 709-757-8031
www.therooms.ca/

In this thread and the other we've given Peggy the Nfld's Grand Banks site with many vital records and censuses

http://ngb.chebucto.org/

and I think that's where she's searching. It's a tedious process -- and the records there aren't complete, of course.

Peggy, have you thought of putting messages on the message board there?

http://ngb.chebucto.org/phpBB/

If you do, remember to be as clear about what you know, and what you're looking for, as possible! ;)


You need to take the checkmark off the post on page 1 that you have marked as answered.

"Mark as answered" means that your questions have been answered -- not that you have answered that question. It makes it look like nobody needs to look at your message anymore because it's been asnwered.

Thank you for that Janey
Im still finding this message board quite new to me
I think I found what you told me about Ive click on it lets hope Ive clicked on the right thing :S
Is there more message boards?
silly me you sent me the link
Im looking through it now
do you think if I put up the same message Ive got on here up on there that would do it or do I message about an individual person I have in my tree ?
:S <3

Hi all Ive been going through my written notes about Walter George Vail's Father Mum reckoned that five Father married five time....the reason I'm asking this is because I have an Ethel Vail is also in my note she married someone called Duckett he was an American from New York and they had a child together called Muriel I dont know if this is a different Muriel or the same Muriel thats Evangeline's Daughter My search has come up empty or Im not that good at finding info yet x

Hi all Ive been going through my written notes about Walter George Vail's Father...... Mum reckoned that Grandfather Joesph as she called him married five time....the reason I'm asking this is because I have an Ethel Vail is also in my note she married someone called Duckett he was an American from New York and they had a child together called Muriel....... I dont know if this is a different Muriel or the same Muriel thats Josephus/Evangeline's Daughter as records show that you guys found for me....... My search has come up empty or Im not that good at finding info yet x

5. Elizabeth Goudie b 20 June 1838 LIC - likely the Elizabeth who
md @LIC (witness Amos Goudie would then be her brother) on 14
Nov 1857 to George Vail (b 20 May 1830 LIC). She may have been
buried @LIC Oct 3 1879 age 42. They had:
1. Jabez Vail b 5 Nov 1859 LIC - bd Apr 24 1879 LIC age 19 yrs.
2. Rosanna Vail b 2 Apr 1863 LIC - died young.
3. George Vail b 15 Oct 1864 LIC - bd Mar 10 1867 LIC age 3 yrs.
4. Amelia Jane Vail bapt 10 Feb 1867 @ 3 mo. LIC
5. Mary Ann Vail b 21 May 1871 LIC - bd May 20 1886 LIC age 15
6. Rosanna Vail b 6 May 1873 LIC. IS this the ANNIE ROSE who was md @ Gower St Church, age
31, servant of LIC to Eli Dawe, 39, wid, s/o Solomon, carpenter of Kelligrews, on Nov 15 1905?
7. Josephus Vail b 4 Nov 1874 LIC - md Evangeline & had:
1. Muriel Vail b 22 Mar 1905 LIC
2. Walter George Vail b 6 May 1907 LIC
8. Magdelene Vail bapt 18 Sept 1878 LIC. Md @LIC Dec 22 1897 to
Joshua Wheeler (b 3 July 1875 LIC - dc 1959 age 84). She died Mar 6 1929 @LIC. They had:
1. William WILSON Wheeler b 16 Feb 1898 LIC - d Nov 3 1962
LIC. Never married.
2. Jabez Wheeler bapt Dec 31, 1900 - d.< Aug 1904
3. Levi Garland Wheeler b. 29 Jon 1902 d. 1970. Md (1) Louise
Jacobs and (2) Maude Adams of Old Pedican on Dec 15, 1932. Had from 1st marriage:



Im a bit confused here does the b = bapt or birth and what does the dc and bd stand for xx :S

I normally use b for birth and bp for baptism, but you can't rely on everyone being so careful.
dc=death certificate would be my guess
bd=buried

Thank you.....this document is a little confusing it says b so far down then go's on to say bapt and some of the document says dc and in some parts it says d I'll just have to put it in my tree as best as I can xx

Sometimes it says d=died, and follows it with a date. Other times it says bd and follows it with a date. You've got to wonder where they'ld get an exact date of burial without knowing the exact dod - the records that would give this are rather limited - my guess is from a church burials register, although conceivably it could come from graveyard records or from a newspaper funeral notice.

If I go 10km N, up the road from LIC, the road crosses the peninsular and meets the road on the Trinity Bay side. Old Pelican is more or less where they meet.

Marrying five times would really be pretty unusual. According to that tree, Josephus was nearly 30 when Muriel was born. It's imaginable that he'd been married before, even twice, and married twice or three times after Evangeline. But it really would be pretty unusual.

He would have had to bury four wives before marrying the fifth. That kind of luck would be extraordinarily bad.

I'd post whatever you like on that discussion board! Note that the first time you post, your post will not appear immediately. It is pre-screened. I point this out because you have a habit of posting the same thing two or three times here, so don't keep clicking there, you woon't see your post on the board until it's been moderated. ;)

I'd just try to be really clear, and I say that because I at least have a hard time following some of what you've said here at GR.

For instance, I have not the slightest clue what this is about:

"the reason I'm asking this is because I have an Ethel Vail is also in my note she married someone called Duckett he was an American from New York and they had a child together called Muriel....... I dont know if this is a different Muriel or the same Muriel thats Josephus/Evangeline's Daughter as records show that you guys found for me"

You may have her in your notes, but nobody reading that knows how she's related to anyone else. Without a date for any of those events, I'm completely lost.

How could Muriel Duckett, daughter of Ethel Vail and Mr Duckett, be the same person as Muriel Vail, daughter of Josephus Vail and Evangeline?

Keep in mind that *you* haven't verified any of the information in that tree, for instance! I do think the first thing I would do is try to contact the people who put it together, whose names are shown with the tree, and as I said, there is an email address for the person whose site it is, who should be able to put you in touch.

Since those people obviously had no further info about Walter George Vail (it doesn't give his marriage or death), they may well be interetsed in hearing from you.

Oh my goodness it does look a bit of a messy rant I dont even understand that myself :S thank you I should just keep it short and sweet .........the notes I have are what my mum told me word of mouth stuff its all written in a note book.
I put most of it up on my tree the stuff I could make sense of.
the notes I sent you are stuff I couldnt make sense of......Ive got quite a bit of Vail information now thank to all you guys.....I'm going on another search for my grand mother Irene Young's parents I searched for 12 hours and had no luck at all xx <3

Ps Ive contacted a lot of trees with the four surnames I'm looking for and Im connected to three trees on the whole site up to now......the connection was with my children's fathers family but had no luck with any of the surnames Im looking for.....Vail, Young, Quilty, Parrell but still hoping for messages from them xx :-) :D