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Dee, you said re an 1881 census:
"For some reason they are split on cesus!!"

I noted that problem too back on p.1 -- I don't think they're split on the census, I think Ancestry has made a complete hash of it.

That's why I suggest looking at the records at scotlandspeople to see how the household really looks on the originals.

You are fantastic - thank you very much - I had missed the earlier census, sorry, have read through now and will digest thouroughly, hopefully tomorrow, when i have a little more time. (need to stop doing this late at night and early in the morning!)

Diane x

I'm wondering whether you didn't see the earlier census info I posted, Diane ...


The only newlywed looking Alex + Mary in Rossshire I see in 1861:

Name: Alexr Mckenzie
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mary Mckenzie
Where born: Lochalsh, Ross
Occupation: Stone Quarrier Lab

Name: Mary Mckenzie
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : Alexr Mckenzie
Where born: Urquhart, Ross

Registration district: Urquhart and Logie Wester
Civil parish: Urquhart and Logie Wester
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: Conon Village

Oh look, that's the right place! Looks like them. :D


Possibly his mother was already widowed by 1841:

Name: Alexander Mackenzie
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Where born: Ross and Cromarty, Scotland

Name: Christy Mackenzie
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Where born: Ross and Cromarty, Scotland
Occupation: Ag Lab

Civil parish: Urquhart
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: Mulbine Comn Highfield

Christy Mackenzie 35
Christy Mackenzie 12
Donald Mackenzie 10
Alexander Mackenzie 6


?

1851 Scotland Census
about John Mcray
Name: John Mcray
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Jene Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Urray, Rosshire
Parish Number: 84
Civil parish: Urquhart and Logie Wester
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: New Muire Balvard
Occupation: Crofter 6 Acres
ED: 9
Page: 7 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 26
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1851_18
Household Members: Name Age
John Mcray 40
Jene Smith 43 Born Alfford, Aberdeen.... wife to John Mckay
Mary McKay 12 B. Alfford, Aberdeen
John McKay 10 B. Urquhart, Rosshire
Kenneth McKay 8 B. Urquhart, Rosshire
Aby McKay 50 Female visitor born Urray, Rosshire


On the 1861 census for John and Jane Mckay, jane confirms her birth place as Alfford, Aberdeen. her she does again!!

1861 Scotland Census
about John Mckay
Name: John Mckay
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jane Mckay
Gender: Male
Where born: Urquhart, Rossshire
Registration Number: 84
Registration district: Urquhart and Logie Wester
Civil parish: Urquhart and Logie Wester
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: Allangrange Park
Occupation: Crofter
ED: 9
Household schedule number: 53
Line: 19
Roll: CSSCT1861_10
Household Members: Name Age
John Mckay 48
Jane Mckay 48
John Mccombie 10 > servant, herd boy

Again the address of Allengrange which you say could be significant and also the Grandson;

1871 Scotland Census
about John Mckay
Name: John Mckay
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jane Mckay
Gender: Male
Where born: Map, Shra C of
Registration Number: 84
Registration district: Urquhart and Logie Wester
Civil parish: Urquhart
County: Ross and CromartyCromarty
Address: No 12 Allangrange D
Occupation: Crofter Of 12 Acres
ED: 9
Household schedule number: 49
Line: 3
Roll: CSSCT1871_14
Household Members: Name Age
John Mckay 60
Jane Mckay 65
John Mckenzie 9 >> Grandson born Map, Urquhart C of

I might end up duplicating some of the children, apologies if I do;

1881 Scotland Census
about John McKenzie
Name: John McKenzie
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relationship: Son
Gender: Male
Where born: Killearnan, Rossshire
Registration Number: 68
Registration district: Killearnan
Civil parish: Killearnan
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: Kilcoy Farm House
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 57
Line: 11
Roll: cssct1881a_103237
Household Members: Name Age
John McKenzie 13


1881 Scotland Census
about Jane An McKenzie
Name: Jane An McKenzie
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relationship: Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Killearnan, Rossshire
Registration Number: 68
Registration district: Killearnan
Civil parish: Killearnan
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: Kilcoy Farm House
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 57
Line: 13
Roll: cssct1881a_103237
Household Members: Name Age
Jane An McKenzie 9


1881 Scotland Census
about Donald M L McKenzie
Name: Donald M L McKenzie
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relationship: Son
Gender: Male
Where born: Killearnan, Rossshire
Registration Number: 68
Registration district: Killearnan
Civil parish: Killearnan
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: Kilcoy Farm House
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 57
Line: 14
Roll: cssct1881a_103237
Household Members: Name Age
Donald M L McKenzie 7


1881 Scotland Census
about Cathrine McKenzie
Name: Cathrine McKenzie
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relationship: Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Killearnan, Rossshire
Registration Number: 68
Registration district: Killearnan
Civil parish: Killearnan
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: Kilcoy Farm House
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 57
Line: 15
Roll: cssct1881a_103237
Household Members: Name Age
Cathrine McKenzie 6


1881 Scotland Census
about Robert McKenzie
Name: Robert McKenzie
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relationship: Son
Mother's name: Marjory McKenzie
Gender: Male
Where born: Killearnan G, Rosshre
Registration Number: 68
Registration district: Killearnan
Civil parish: Killearnan
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: Braes Of Kilcoy Farmhouse
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 27
Line: 9
Roll: cssct1881a_103237
Household Members: Name Age
Marjory McKenzie 14
Robert McKenzie 4


There are so many Mckenzie's living in braes of Kilcoy in the farmhouse or cottages that I think looking at the original transcript would be the only way to try and dechiper all of this.


Dee x

1881 Scotland Census
about Jessie McKenzie
Name: Jessie McKenzie
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relationship: Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Knockbain, Ross'Shire
Registration Number: 68
Registration district: Killearnan
Civil parish: Killearnan
County: Ross and Cromarty
>>>>>>>Address: Jessie Mc Kenzie'S
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 7
Line: 5
Roll: cssct1881a_103237
Household Members: Name Age
Jessie McKenzie 12


Love her address!!!

Hi Dianne,

the address drew me to this;

1881 Scotland Census
about Mary McKenzie
Name: Mary McKenzie
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relationship: Daughter
Mother's name: Mary MacKenzie
Gender: Female
Where born: Killearnan G, Rosshre
Registration Number: 68
Registration district: Killearnan
>>>>>>Civil parish: Killearnan
County: Ross and Cromarty
>>>>>>>>Address: Braes Of Kilcoy Farmhouse
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 27
Line: 10
Roll: cssct1881a_103237
Household Members: Name Age
Mary MacKenzie 45 Fishermans wife born Poolewe (G), Rossshire
Mary McKenzie 2


1881 Scotland Census
about Alexander McKenzie
Name: Alexander McKenzie
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relationship: Son
Gender: Male
Where born: Killearnan, Rossshire
Registration Number: 68
Registration district: Killearnan
Civil parish: Killearnan
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: Kilcoy Farm House
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 57
Line: 12
Roll: cssct1881a_103237
Household Members: Name Age
Alexander McKenzie 11


For some reason they are split on cesus!!
Also at the same address;

1881 Scotland Census
about Christian McKenzie
Name: Christian McKenzie
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relationship: Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Killearnan G, Rosshre
Registration Number: 68
Registration district: Killearnan
Civil parish: Killearnan
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: Braes Of Kilcoy Farmhouse
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 27
Line: 7
Roll: cssct1881a_103237
Household Members: Name Age
Christian McKenzie 8


1881 Scotland Census
about Kenneth McKenzie
Name: Kenneth McKenzie
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relationship: Son
Gender: Male
Where born: Killearnan G, Rosshre
Registration Number: 68
Registration district: Killearnan
Civil parish: Killearnan
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: Braes Of Kilcoy Farmhouse
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 27
Line: 8
Roll: cssct1881a_103237
Household Members: Name Age
Kenneth McKenzie 6

The dates that I have for all the children were given to me by another family member who started the search but stopped, Dee this very much looks like it could be them. Allangrange is very close to where the next few generations were born.

I had another close look at Alexanders marriage certificate and it looks like his address could have been Mains Park, Highfield (very hard to read though so could be wrong)

Unfortunelty i have to go to work now but will get back to this is the evening. Thankyou both one again

Diane xx

This is a REAL mess........ maybe looking at the original may help??

1871 Scotland Census
about Chrestian Mckenzie
Name: Chrestian Mckenzie
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relationship: Daughter
Father's name: Kenneth Mckenzie
Gender: Female
Where born: Map, Urquhart C of
Registration Number: 84
Registration district: Urquhart and Logie Wester
Civil parish: Urquhart
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: No 11 Allangrange D
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 9
Household schedule number: 48
Line: 23
Roll: CSSCT1871_14
Household Members: Name Age
Kenneth Mckenzie 50
Elizabeth Bain 46
Alex Henderson 10
Widow Wm Mckenzie 60
Catherine Mckenzie 32
Alex Alex Mckenzie 32
Chrestian Mckenzie 8
Alex Mckenzie 6
Jane Mckenzie 4
Jessy Mckenzie 2
Ronnette Mckenzie 6 MO

1901 Scotland Census
about John Mckay
Name: John Mckay
Age: 97
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804
Relationship: Grandfather
Gender: Male
Where born: Urray, Rossshire
Registration Number: 84
Registration district: Urquhart and Logie Wester
Civil parish: Urquhart and Logie Wester
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: Muir Of Allangrange (rootfield)
Occupation: Retired Crofter
ED: 9
Household schedule number: 31
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1901_22
Household Members: Name Age
Hector Mckenzie 28 >> Occupation: Crofter
Mary Mckenzie 20 >>>>>>> states wife, however because I can't see the original image this could be Hectors sister???
Mary Mckenzie 64
John Mckay 97
Murdo Mcrae 18 >> servant


All Mckenzies born Urquhart & L Wr, Rossshire

What about this census???

1891 Scotland Census
about Alexander McKenzie
Name: Alexander McKenzie
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mary McKenzie
Gender: Male
Where born: Urquhart, Ross-Shire
Registration Number: 84
Registration district: Urquhart and Logie Wester
Civil parish: Urquhart and Logie Wester
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: Mulbine
Occupation: Crofter
ED: 9
Household schedule number: 15
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1891_22
Household Members: Name Age
Alexander McKenzie 56
Mary McKenzie 53 Born Urquhart, Ross-Shire
Jessie McKenzie 22
Thomas McKenzie 16
George McKenzie 13
Mary McKenzie 11
John McKay 78 > father in law. Born Urray, Ross-Shire. Retired gen Labourer

All children born Urquhart, Ross-Shire.



Dianne, you say that you can't find birth registrations for the children, so I presume that the years given for their birth are estimated??


Dee x

There are two who match him in 1851


Name: Alexander Mckenzie
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relationship: Servant
Where born: Urquhart, Ross
Occupation: Farm Serv

Civil parish: Urquhart and Logie Wester
County: Ross and Cromarty

William Jack 60
Ann Jack 60
Hugh Jack 35
Margaret Gordon 29
Alexander Mckenzie 16
Christopher Mcdonald 65
Hugh Gray 13


Name: Alexander Mckenzie
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relationship: Servant
Where born: Urquhart, Rossshire
Occupation: Ag Lab

Civil parish: Urquhart and Logie Wester
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: Dumornie
Address: Balnachrach

John Fowler 80
William Fowler 44
Ann Fowler 36
John Fowler 6
William Fowler 11 MO
Alexander Mckenzie 16
Margaret Robertson 31
> Christina Mckenzie 65 "relative"
-- possibly mother Christy? -- no, duh, too old



Possibly his mother was already widowed by 1841:

Name: Alexander Mackenzie
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Where born: Ross and Cromarty, Scotland

Name: Christy Mackenzie
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Female
Where born: Ross and Cromarty, Scotland
Occupation: Ag Lab

Civil parish: Urquhart
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: Mulbine Comn Highfield

Christy Mackenzie 35
Christy Mackenzie 12
Donald Mackenzie 10
Alexander Mackenzie 6



Diane -- if you add a note to the beginning of your very first post in the thread (use the Edit link, be sure not to click Delete!) you can say something like "skip to page 3 for update, and people might be more likely to take a look.

One in 1841 with the right job and the right son (keeping in mind that I just don't know the geography):


Name: Colin Mackenzie
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Ross and Cromarty, Scotland

Civil parish: Lochbroom
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: Morefield
Occupation: Crofter
Parish Number: 75

Colin Mackenzie 30
Flora Mackenzie 40
Rory Mackenzie 10
Janet Mackenzie 12
John Mackenzie 8
Isabella Mackenzie 4
Alex Mackenzie 1


The only newlywed looking Alex + Mary in Rossshire I see in 1861:

Name: Alexr Mckenzie
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mary Mckenzie
Where born: Lochalsh, Ross
Occupation: Stone Quarrier Lab

Name: Mary Mckenzie
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : Alexr Mckenzie
Where born: Urquhart, Ross

Registration district: Urquhart and Logie Wester
Civil parish: Urquhart and Logie Wester
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: Conon Village


Oh look, that's the right place! Looks like them. :D

We have a Colin with wife Christy in Rossshire 1851 here but no son Alexander:

Name: Colin Mackenzie
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Christy Mackenzie
Where born: Urray, Ross-Shire
Occupation: Farmer Of 40 Acres Employing Family

Civil parish: Urray
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: Urray

Colin Mackenzie 45
Christy Mackenzie 40
Donald Mackenzie 10
Christy Mackenzie 9
James Mackenzie 6
Bell Mackenzie 4
Catherine Mackenzie 2


Here we have a crofter in 1851:


Name: Colin Mackenzie
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Christian Mackenzie
Where born: Shrewley Parish Tebgemon, Rossshire
Occupation: Crofter

Civil parish: Kintail
Town: Dornie
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: Charoline Street

Colin Mackenzie 60
Christian Mackenzie 46
Margaret Mackenzie 15
John Mackenzie 10


But again, no Alexander.

Dee

Apologies for not repling sooner - Alexanders occupation was impossible to read on his marriage certificate and I can't find any record of his children - have been onto scotlands people but nothing in cencus or individual birth cerificates. I know his father Colin was a Shepard/crofter. He married Mary on 22.12.1860 Urquhart and Logie Wester, Ross and Cromarty, his mothers name looked like Christy but again hard to read, but that is about it.
I'm a bit stumped as to where to go now.

Diane

Go to http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ and search for 257800,852350 - you'll then have to zoom out a step.

Check out http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NH5752

You can get an 1890s map of any Scottish county, showing parishes, at:
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/gazetteer/

The counties of Ross & of Cromarty were combined in 1889. Cromarty wasn't much of a county, being 10% of the combination, and consisting of half a dozen parishes scattered about. You will see folk distinguishing the counties in their pob on censuses. Counties in 19th cent Scotland didn't do very much, and their were lots of anomalous detached bits, and cross-border parishes. (My dad had 2 uncles born in different counties, but the same parish.) ROC at 2M acres was the 4th largest UK county, and with 33 parishes, the average parish was 60000 acres (abt the size of a largish Ontario Twp for Janey).

Gairloch is on the W coast, abt 90km from Urquhart & Logie Wester which is on the E coast, across the Cromarty Firth from Dingwall. Killearnan is the adjacent parish to the SE of U & LW.

I will have another try - I went to the family history centre in Inverness who hold all the Information for the highlands and they couldn't find them on any of the census'. i have a lot of work to do now so will have a go on scotlands people. Ann o' GG info is very interesting but will probably be focusing on the more recent members of my family.

Thank you once again.