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Hello staffslass, Many thanks for your painstaking search. I have come to the conclusion that William Hotchon does not exist and was a convenient ploy to hide the real name of my grandfather. Where she got the name from I don't know as its a very rare surname. I think she was protecting someone. Regards Brian.

I have looked on British Nationals Died Overseas 1818 - 2005 and Deaths At Sea 1854 - 1890 nothing for the exact match.

Below are 5 similar names not sure if it will be any help except maybe to eliminate them.

Name: HITCHINGS, William
Vessel: Hungerford
Country: At sea
Year: 1918
Page: 125
Age at death: 27


Name: HUTCHINGS, William
Vessel: Dulwich
Country: At sea
Year: 1917
Page: 147
Age at death: 28


Name: HUTCHINGS, W
Vessel: H. M. S. Broke
Country: At sea
Year: 1916
Page: 524B
Age at death:


Name: HITCHINGS, William
Vessel: Garth Castle
Country: At sea
Year: 1916
Page: 122
Age at death: 43

Name: HITCHINGS, William
Vessel: H. M. S. Vanguard
Country: At sea
Year: 1916
Page: 637
Age at death: 43

If you want this deleting just say and I will delete it.

Findmypast has an index - British deaths at sea 1854-1890. As suggested above put out a separate general request, if people ask for a name obviously provide it but make sure you point out the existence of this thread.
Jan

Hello Again, Yes, I had thought that was a possibility. However, I don't know of anywhere to look for civilian deaths at sea other than the usual channel of recorded deaths onshore for United Kingdom. Any ideas? Regards Brian

Hello mgny, Thanks for info. Perhaps one day I'll get to the bottom of this. I've only been trying for twenty years. Unfortunately, I don't suppose I have another 20 to find out! Regards and thanks again Brian

Brian - the marr record I posted was from the local RO's index.
As you know, one can buy BMD certs from the local RO where they occurred or from the GRO. (One can also buy m.certs from the authorized person who holds the current church register if they're recent enough to appear in that current register.)

The local index has to contain some info that is different from the GRO index as the two organize their records differently. The GRO contains some info that is superfluous to the minimum info needed to locate a record, like age at death, a kid's mum's MS, a spouse's surname. Local indices may also contain superfluous info - just what info is included is a local decision, and may not reflect what happens in another local index. Nevertheless, I think local indices are always worth checking - see:

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd

In particular, see http://www.northeastbmd.org.uk/

Thanks Mary, I followed your advice and looked it up yesterday. I have a postcard from Mr. Edwards to my grandmother asking her to return to Nunthorpe from her home. She was to return the day earlier than the family who seem to have been on holiday in Notts. and had an air of instruction about it as befits employer/employee. I also can not read the postage date- pity! I looked his name up on google but to no avail. So what happened to him after 1914 I know not. Thanks for your efforts once again. Regards Brian.

On Google,put in Nunthorpe Hall Stokesley. Scroll to bottom of 1st page of results.
Title Greater Nunthorpe/Nunthorpe history,it was on there that I read about it being empty in WW1.

Maryb

Hello Mary,Thanks for reply. That was a very interesting detail that Nunthorpe Hall was empty during W.W.1. Could I ask where the info. was regarding the Hall. It's a source I have not discovered. Regards and thanks again, Brian.

Just reading about Nunthorpe Hall and it seems it was empty during WW1 if I have read it correctly.

1911 Nunthorpe hall
Head George Straker Falck Edwards born at sea 1856 Ship Builder. died London 1926

Maryb

You usually see two names for one marriage when the spouse has been married before.

Maryb

Thanks mgny.. This is indeed her second marriage,if the first ever existed. The BMD lists should read B.A. Irwin or B.A.Hotchon not B.K, as you,rightly,say. The use of two surnames for the same marriage is very interesting and I have not seen that detail before. Further, her 1918 marriage as recorded at South Tyne Library indicate she was married at St.Peters,Harton in South Tyne . Your info lends even more to my belief that there was no earlier marriage. This ,then,means that my fathers birth in March 1915 goes back to Nunthorpe Hall where she was as late as Oct. 1913,possibly later. So, who was daddy's daddy? Regards Brian

http://www.southtyneside.info/applications/2/registersearch/default.aspx

Frederick W EALES
Spouse: Barbara A HOTCHON
Register: C G8 Entry: 86
Date: 18/05/1918

Frederick W EALES
Spouse: Barbara A IRWIN
Register: C G8 Entry: 86
Date: 18/05/1918

http://www.southtyneside.info/article/10778/Marriage-indexes
shows register C G is for the C of E Holy Trinity.
Since both the above marrs refer to the same entry, one infers Barbara mentioned 2 surnames.


Incidentally, I checked the image for Flick's FreeBMD posting of the GRO index, and the image shows Barbara A, not Barbara K (correct'n subm'ed to FreeBMD 25/4/11)

Hello Ann , Thanks for info. Yes I have seen that and wondered. Incidentally, I have not found his birth in Scotland or anywhere else for that matter.He is a mystery,too. Whoever he was. Regards Brian

Thanks for your efforts, brummiejan. I expect the two who have William in their tree are me and someone in the family who has got info from me. I strongly believe, and have for years, that he never existed and that grandfather was someone who should not have been. Grandmamma was in service , you see. Oh! well. Regards Brian.

Hi Brian,
There's a Wilham (William?) Hotchon shown on a passenger list crossing the border from the U.S. to Canada on the 16th May 1912. He is 29 years old and his place of birth is given as Scotland.
Best wishes.
Ann

Thanks Brumiejan. I probably have. They are probably relations who have got there info from me. unless it is from a source that I don't know about and that would be very interesting

One of them is Brian's tree and the other I have in my contacts.
Both say he was born Lincolnshire 1880 no parents or other info given.

Maryb

HI Brian.
Run your cursor over the Search Trees box just above, there will be a drop-down menu. Click on "search all trees". Fill in the name and cklick "search"and you will see 2 matches. Click on the person's name to send a message to them.
Jan

~Hello Mary, I have a post card dated Oct. 1913 to one of her sisters at home. It is a picture of Nunthorpe Hall and she says it is the place she is working. Regards Brian.