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Interesting that George is on the Baptism record.... but not on the Birth Cert.

This is George the builder from a previous posting:
Name: Arthur Maidwell
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1894
Baptism Date: 14 Mar 1894
Father's Name: George Maidwell (Builder)
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Maidwell
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney
Borough: Hackney
(birthdate given on image 12th Dec 1883, address 112 Shacklewell Lane)

Hi Chris....
I'm not sure who George the Builder is..... where did you find him??
Is he by any chance listed as Arthur (of b1883's) father??

If not who is he??

(Bringing Thread back, after receiving pm from Adriana, about her latest posting)...

Turns out the Birth cert. she has for Arthur, says he was born 12th Dec. 1883, so ties in with 1884 March qtr. reg. also looks to fit the 1894 Baptism details posted earlier.

But so far no sign or sight of a George the Builder!...

Chris :)

Second child is another Arthur Maidwell... I knew him.
Born 1912.... Annie's little brother.

Also... On Arthur and Minnie's marriage license.... he is a Fish Fryer and they live at 87 Bolen Road..... this is in 1909.

Just noticed... at their marriage... Arthur Maidwell's father is listed as deceased... so as for my last comment... he obviously was not at the birth registration.

Looking for info on Caroline Cottages... more later.

I have all of Annie's birth certificate and a download of Arthur's from Ancestry... which cuts off a bit of the left margin.

Here's the info on Annie's: Born North Hackney, District Hackney, London.
b July 7, 1910, Annie Dorothy, Girl, Father Arthur Maidwell, Mother Minnie Maidwell - formerly Thompson, Father's occupation Fishmonger's Salesman, Informant is A Maidwell - father, 8 Garnham Street, Stoke Newington, Registered August 17, 1910, Registrar is James Young, registrar. Could be that the A Maidwell at 8 Garnham Street is Annie's grandfather.... present at the registration.... OR could be that he is Arthur Maidwell Annie's father and that he and Minnie reside at 8 Garnham....
As for Annie's Dad Arther.... see below....

Info on Arthur's (that's Annie's dad) Born in district of Stamford Hill, Registered in Hackney, Middlesex
b Dec. 1883, Name Arthur, Boy, Mother Mary Ann Maidwell, chambermaid, Father ....... blank, X marks the signature of Harriet Mary Maidwell, present at the birth.. underneath her name a comment i cannot quite read... something like 1 Frederick Assoc or ??? It's blurry.
Registered January 4, 1884, registrar Yokes or something like that... also blurry.

Wow.... this is all new to me.
Annie's birth certificate lists her as
Annie Dorothy Maidwell.....

Have never heard anything about Maple... but it is fascinating!!

If they were hiding.... I'd like to know why.... hum.........
Hope it isn't something horrible!

Lol, something fishy!! (groan!)

Couldn't see a Maple marriage (in case of another Arthur & Minnie)...
I would think getting the 1884 birth Cert. for Arthur would be a good idea...(not sure if you have that, but you seem to have a lot of addresses)

Chris :)

edits to add, when you say "the one you have is Caroline Cottages", are you referring to another birth Cert.?)

Looks good, even if it is Latimer Road.
Was the second child born as Maidwell or Maple?

Added: It was Maidwell (second child), so were they trying to hide? Debtors?

1911

MAPLE, Arthur Head Married M 27 1884 Fishmonger London Clapton
MAPLE, Minnie Wife Married
2 years F 25 1886 Assisting In The Business London Paddington
MAPLE, Dorothy Daughter Single F 0 (9 MONTHS) 1911 Baby London Hackney

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
222 Reference:
RG14PN222 RG78PN7 RD3 SD1 ED26 SN26

Registration District:
Fulham Sub District:
North Hammersmith Enumeration District:
26 Parish:
Hammersmith

Address:
211 Latimer Road County:
London

Could this be him?...

Chris :)

Fishmonger

There is no Garnham Close showing in 1911. Thus they are hidden. Incorrect spelling of address, their name, combination of factors.
What was his occupation, as we can try a search that way also?
Thanks

I don't think they were hiding........ I think the street called Garnham Close that Ozibird listed above sounds like it could be the correct street. They were newlyweds.... expecting their first child July 1910. The puzzle slowly evolves....
the search goes on.

I was vaguely looking at addresses in 1911, and clicking on households. A couple are down as Mr Smith and Mrs Smith. Makes identification rather difficult. So with not clear Garnham and mis-spelt Maidwell it is quite easy to hide.

Garnham Close sounds like a possibility. Its the closest thing to Garnham I've seen so far...... Thanks...

I know they had a child in July 1910 and another in 1912..... Arthur dies of TB in 1913 or 1914...... Can't imagine why they are not included in 1911 census...


~A

There is a Garnham Close running parallel to High St near Northwold Rd in Stoke Newington but not having any luck with 1911.

Ozi

Hi Patchem~
This is interesting. On the actual birth certificate the address is 8 Garnham Road.... but on the transcribed paperwork from ancestry the address is 8 Garingham Rd....... this paperwork also shows a spot marked on a map showing the location is in a triangular area between High Road, Evening Road, and Northwood (or Northworld) Road. A bit blurry. This is in the area called Stokes Newington, North Hackney. I wonder if perhaps the roads have been renamed....

Also... I believe they moved to Garnham (sp?) Road at the end of 1910.... so that may be why they are no longer at Bolyn Rd in 1911.

Hi Chris~
This is also interesting. Most of the information is in alignment with what i already know. Arthur Maidwell is the son of Mary Ann Maidwell and the birthplace is Hackney. However the birth year is off on the transcribed part.... yet looks correct on the image..... I have Dec. 1883 as well. There are so many Arthur Maidwells b 1883 or 1884... difficult to determine which one.
The one you listed above lives on Shacklewell Lane in Hackney... I also have one in Hackney, the address is Caroline Cottages number 5. There is another one in Clapton, West Hackney.
Arthur died in 1913 or 1914..... I wonder if there is an obituary somewhere.... maybe there would be additional information on it.

Name: Arthur Maidwell
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1894
Baptism Date: 14 Mar 1894
Father's Name: George Maidwell (Builder)
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Maidwell
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney
Borough: Hackney

(birthdate given on image 12th Dec 1883, address 112 Shacklewell Lane)

Would tie in with 1884 birth details, posted by Jax earlier...

Chris :)

These are G in Stoke Newington:
Gainsboro Road Stoke Newington Hackney London
Gainsboror Road Stoke Newington Hackney London
Gainsborough Road Stoke Newington Hackney London
Gaisnboro Road Stoke Newington Hackney London
Gardon Road Stoke Newington Hackney London
Gargon Villa Painsthorpe Road Stoke Newington Hackney London
George George Road
Gibsons Gardens St John At Hackney Hackney London
Glebe Place Stoke Newington Hackney London
Gloucester Road Finsbury Park Stoke Newington Hackney London
Goldsmith Square Stoke Newington Hackney London
Gordon Road Stoke Newington Hackney London
Gordon Road Imperial Avenue Stoke Newington Hackney London
Gordon Road Stoke Newington North Stoke Newington Hackney London
Grange Court Road Stoke Newington Hackney London
Grangecourt Road Stoke Newington Hackney London
Grangecourt Road Stoke Newington Road Stoke Newington Hackney London
Grangecourts Road Stoke Newington Hackney London
Grayling Road Stoke Newington Hackney London
Grayling Stoke Newington Stoke Newington Hackney London
Grazebrook Road Stoke Newington Hackney London
Grazebrook Road Grove Stoke Newington Hackney London
Greeen Lanes North Stoke Newington Hackney London
Green Stoke Newington Hackney London
Green Lane Islington Islington London
Green Lane Stoke Newington Hackney London
Green Lanes Stoke Newington Hackney London
Green Lanes Finsbury Park Stoke Newington Hackney London
Green Lanes North Stoke Newington Hackney London
Green Lanes Stoke Newington Stoke Newington Hackney London
Green Lanes Stoke Newington North Stoke Newington Hackney London
Green Lanes Stoke Newington South Stoke Newington Hackney London
Grren Lanes

1911, 3 households at 87, including this Arthur Ernest
CARROLL, Arthur Ernest Head Married M 39 1872 Gas Fitter Dublin Ireland
371 CARROLL, Emma Wife Married
16 years F 38 1873
371 CARROLL, Walter Ernest Son M 13 1898
371 CARROLL, Ethel Maud Daughter F 12 1899
371 CARROLL, Reginald Robert Son M 11 1900
371 CARROLL, Victor Albert Son M 4 1907
RG number: RG14 Piece: 976 Reference: RG14PN976 RG78PN33 RD10 SD7 ED7 SN371
Registration District: Islington Sub District: Highbury Enumeration District:
7 Parish: Islington Address: 87 Boleyn Road County: London

No Garringham Street showing - any idea if a mis-spelling?