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I think all avenues are exhausted now, aren't they? Is there someone who might help re Co Tyrone/Irish records? Perhaps Kathleen gave birth to May in Middlesex but went straight back to Ireland and registered her there - if that was allowed?? Perhaps her and Gordon Simmonds married over there?

I don't really want to give up yet, but then it's not me doing all the brain work. I will get death certs for May & Gordon but don't know what else to look for.

Once again, thanks for all help given.

Well, we can't let this go now can we? Maybe if you get her death cert it might offer a clue, so I would do that and come back if you get more info.
Nobody else is going to come to this thread so I would suggest posting on tips board asking about Irish research, at the same time directing people to this thread.

The other (pretty remote) possibility is that there are still neighbours around who were friendly with them and know something, so addresses from the certs might offer another line of enquiry.

Good luck!

Jan

Will keep this post bookmarked so please post death cert info when you get it
Good Luck!

Marion

Just a few thoughts re possible marriages for May and Gordon your g/parents

We know your father Gordon W was born in Croydon 1918.
Your g/father Gordon b 1890 was single when discharged from Army in 1916.
He was in an Army Hospital in Portsmouth in 1916.

Between 1916 and 1918, when your father was born, your g/father was in Portsmouth, Hants and Croydon, Surrey and possibly Tottenham, Middlesex.

I wonder too if May Brian or Bryan {as recorded on two birth certs for Gordon and Ronald} could have been married before. These were war years with lots of young deaths. The name Brian/Bryan would have been her maiden name but not necessarily the name she would have put on a marriage cert.

Do you know if your grandfather returned to Tottenham after his discharge in 1916.

Just some thoughtd for the melting pot otherwise i might forget them tomorrow.

Regards

Vera

Marian

Not sure if you ever got the army records. If not pm me your e mail and I can forward them. They are a mine of information.

Vera

Thanks Vera
I have PMd you. I have re read what you said previously about May possibly being married before. I have searched thoroughly under the name May Brian and haven't turned up anything. And so it goes on......................

jan & jan!
The death certs haven't helped at all. May's informant section says "Mary Phyllis Percival. Causing the body to be cremated, Warlingham Park Hospital, Chelsham" I take it that this was a member of hospital staff. She died 9th June 1965 as Widow of Gordon Simmonds aged 75 years. No other avenue now.......................

Thanks for your interest.

Marion

Not sure about the 1911 census with May living with mother and sister.
Although Middlesex, living in Acton which is a long way from Tottenham.

Not sure why you think they may have married in Ireland. Not likely for the couple to travel to Ireland from England just to get married,

I'm not sure how he ended up in Croydon. Do you have any ideas?
Didn't think people from north London ever went south of the river!


Regards

Vera