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Please can anyone find the marriage of sisters in,
“London, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 Marriage & Divorce”

1865 Eunice Noyes & John Henry Jenkins,

1873 Frances Noyes & James William Jenkins.

Thank you.
Ann

Ginny,
Thank you very much for the info, sorry to ask, but did you notice if Frances Noyes recorded her father? I know he had died by then] or were there any witnesses

Thank you.
Ann

Ginny,
Thank you very much that would be wonderful, I wanted to confirm she was the right one, everything else was right.
Could the witnesses be Hepzibah Beale, her name gets everyone.
Ann

Please. Please can anyone find,
James William Jenkins, On his marriage he is, F/A Gentleman living at Grove House Cambridge Heath [ Bethnal Green]
& wife Frances bap 18 Nov 1849 Oxford I cant find them in 1881 census, [USA / Canadian] deaths,or anything on them,
as I do not know when or where he was born it is difficult
Would it be possible to find him with his father John Henry Jenkins master Mariner, in the 1851 census?
Thank you.
Ann

Ginny.
Thank you very muchfor your help
I am confused, with both the Jenkins men; the one you found was John! James William Jenkins was the 'Gentleman' so called, [“Gentleman' was used on his marriage and he was no such thing!” I agree with you there] so I don’t think that is him? Unless he used the name John
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The John Henry Jenkins Widower Age: 45 Rigger, who married Eunice , this is the only one I found, every thing fits ,even children’s names , apart from his AGE & trade, he could have changed his job

John JENKINS Head M Male 29 London, Middlesex, Lab Stone Trimmer
Eunice JENKINS Wife M Female 30 Oxford, Oxford, **
John JENKINS Son Male 6 Erith Ex, Kent,
Harriett JENKINS Dau Female 8 Hammersmith, Middlesex,
Eunice E.JENKINS Dau Female 10 Hackney, Middlesex,
William JENKINS Son Male 4 Hackney, Middlesex,
Rachel JENKINS Dau Female 2 London, Middlesex,

Dwelling 34 Benn St (Fr Pg 59 13 Benn St) Census Place London, Middlesex, RG11 Piece / Folio 0310 / 72A Pg 64

could there have a mistake on his age on the census ?
Ann

Hi Ann,

I had a look at your thread this morning and could'nt find the info. I did notice that on the marriage of Eunice to John Jenkins that he was much much older than her. He was 45 and she 18.

Have you found any census where the two sisters were together? or with their parents in oxfordshire?

Also the John Henry Jenkins that Ginny found could have married Frances Summers.

If Eunice was married in 1865 and the 1881 census has her with a child of 6 years old, you don't expect them to have waited all those years before having a baby.

Mel

Three children all baptised on the same day.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about William Charles Jenkins Name: William Charles Jenkins
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1883
Baptism Date: 1 Nov 1883
Father's Name: John Jenkins
Mother's Name: Eunice Eliza Jenkins
Parish or Poor Law Union: Victoria Park St Mark
Borough: Tower Hamlets

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about John Henry Jenkins Name: John Henry Jenkins
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1883
Baptism Date: 1 Nov 1883
Father's Name: John Jenkins
Mother's Name: Eunice Eliza Jenkins
Parish or Poor Law Union: Victoria Park St Mark
Borough: Tower Hamlets


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Rachel Jenkins Name: Rachel Jenkins
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1883
Baptism Date: 1 Nov 1883
Father's Name: John Jenkins LABOURER***********
Mother's Name: Eunice Eliza Jenkins
Parish or Poor Law Union: Victoria Park St Mark
Borough: Tower Hamlets

32 Wyke Rd
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London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Arthur Reuben Jenkins Name: Arthur Reuben Jenkins
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1884
Baptism Date: 16 Oct 1884
Father's Name: John Jenkins
Mother's Name: Eunice Eliza Jenkins
Parish or Poor Law Union: Victoria Park St Mark
Borough: Tower Hamlets

32 Wyke Rd

Ginny you put this census up but did you see where John Jenkins senior was born?? It reads Bermuda but is mistranscribed.

1861 England Census
about John H Jankins Name: John H Jankins
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A Jankins
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermusea

Civil parish: St George in The East
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: Rigger

Registration district: St George In The East
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 182
Household Members: Name Age
John H Jankins 44 1817 Bermuda
Mary A Jankins 39 1822 Devonport, Devon**********
Edward Jankins 7 1854 Devenport, Devon
John Jenkins 10 1851 London, Middlesex
James Jenkins 7 1854 London, Middlesex
Harriet Jenkins 5 1856 London, Middlesex

RG9; Piece: 275; Folio: 45; Page: 31

So if Frances Noyes married John Henry's brother James I wonder if they went to Bermuda???

Also in years gone by a Mariner would take his family with him on a voyage.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about James Jenkins Name: James Jenkins
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1853
Baptism Date: 10 Jul 1853
Father's Name: John Henry Jenkins MARINER
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Jenkins
Parish or Poor Law Union: St George in the East
Borough: Tower Hamlets

Ginny she could have died in childbirth.

Fraid I don't know. I have looked everywhere and I can't find him.

Wonder if he went under the name of William James??

I wonder??????

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about James Jenkins Name: James Jenkins
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Year of Registration: 1874
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 0
District: Islington
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 164

Thank you all very much for looking for the two Jenkins men & their wives Eunice & Frances Noyes, it is all very strange! I don’t know where else to look for them.

Ginny Yes, Frances with Hepzibah Beale, This her aunt, her mother sister,
You said “Frances went back to being a Noyes … after her marriage to James?” it has been known before, I don’t know how I could check it out?

Mel the this Baptisms you found could be him ”James Jenkins James Jenkins abt 1853 John Henry Jenkins MARINER”


I haven’t census where all the sisters were together, in the 1851 two were at home with their mother & father under the name of REEVES not Noyes,[ I have prove proof of this] the others [there were 4] were with relations & the same in 1861,
I haven’t found Noyes girls in the in1871 they were not at home with there mother Rachel & step- father Charles BROOKS .
Ann

Ann we could have done with the info about their mother before. It would have saved us a lot of time and effort.

I put up a death of a child born in 1874 the same year as Ginny found a death of a Frances Noyes. I wondered if it was in childbirth.

I was also wondering if the two sisters married two brothers.

What year was their mother Rachael born and where. I can't find her on a census. Also what were the other childrens names. We can't see what info you have unless you tell us so we are working blind as it were.

You really need to give us some years of birth and places for Charles Brooks and Rachael as I still can't find anything you are talking about without these details.

Is this the marriage between William and Rachael Davis please?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about William Noyes Name: William Noyes
Year of Registration: 1841
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Oxford
County: Berkshire, Oxfordshire
Volume: 16
Page: 157


*******Rachael Davis 1841 Oxford Berkshire, Oxfordshire
William Hedges 1841 Oxford Berkshire, Oxfordshire
Hannah Howse 1841 Oxford Berkshire, Oxfordshire
******* William Noyes 1841 Oxford Berkshire, Oxfordshire

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Rachel Noyes Name: Rachel Noyes
Year of Registration: 1856
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Bethnal Green
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 548

******** Charles Brooks 1856 Bethnal Green Greater London, London, Middlesex
Hannah Hack 1856 Bethnal Green Greater London, London, Middlesex
******** Rachel Noyes 1856 Bethnal Green Greater London, London, Middlesex

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Rachel Noyes 34 WIDOW*******
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Spouse Name: Charles Brooks Carver and Gilder*********
Spouse Age: 28
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 25 Feb 1856
Parish: St Philip, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: James Davis Farmer
Spouse Father Name: George Lee Brooks Brass Founder

Her address 10 Pound Building

His address Whitmore Road

Witnesses Edwin Brooks and Hepzibah Beale

1861 England Census
about Rachel Brooks Name: Rachel Brooks
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles Brooks
Gender: Female
Where born: Bampton, Oxfordshire, England

Civil parish: South Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: South Hackney
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 442
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Brooks 32
Rachel Brooks 41
Unice Noyes Brooks 15
William Noys Brooks 10
James Noys Brooks 8
Ann Brooks 3

You wrote:-

I haven’t found Noyes girls in the in1871 they were not at home with there mother Rachel & step- father Charles BROOKS .
Ann
Eunice married in 1865 so she will be under the name of Jenkins. Frances is with Hepzibah in 1871 I thought down as Neice?? Were you refering to James and William Noyes?