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many thanks to all of you for your time & help in taking my tree back further x

I think Harry Dence, was born @ 1870 in East Malling kent to Henry Dence 1840 and mary A 1849.
I also think this is Harry's death
Harry Dence 1937 age 68 = 1869.died Bromley J/F/M 2a 1047.

Henry Dence 1840 died Malling kent 1923.

I can't find Harry Dence 1869 on 1911 census!!

Can't find her marriage to Thomas Golding,or anything about Bert and Mary Allen who are supposed to be in laws on 1911 census

Maryb

That 1901 census might be connected to your family somewhere along the line, but i would just keep it for future reference for now.
You didnt come across as rude at all Clair..........so no worries. x

I think Robert Knapp 1831-1881 was the son of Robert Knapp 1806 -1849 Kent and Mary/Marianne Simms 1811 kent.

There are many trees on Ancestry with robert knapps family but they don't have info on the marriages of Hellen/Ellen knapp.

Maryb

hi prickly....now I'm getting back into this, I remember using the freeBMD (sometimes helpful,sometimes not, but just haven't got time & money to devote myself to this fully at the moment, so it does its job lol) Thnx to all your, & everyone else's, help on here, & finding all the variant spellings....would I be right in saying our Robert Tul(l)ett was born in Greenwich Q2 1d 636, & will that tie him in anywhere with your 1901 census, which mentions greenwich, but not a robert, so although not directly in that family, maybe somewhere along the line.....? Or am I just confusing things unnecessarily?

that will keep me VERY busy prickly..thnku. its brilliant that you're getting the maiden names too...opens up whole new families! I managed to find so much about my husband's family based on a maiden name as it was so much more unusual than the male line we were trying to follow!

It seems now that Robert Knapp was born in Sutton at hone Kent. 1831 and died @ 1881.

Maryb.

well done mary! I've noticed Robert Tullett has lost an L. And looking at Prickly's censuses, the Knapps have lost their K!!!aaarrrggghh! they don't make it easy, do they?
thanx a lot prickly...you've been busy!! hope I didn't sound rude checking that census, just didn't want to ignore it when it was important :-)

This should keep you busy!!!

1841 England Census
about Robert Napp
Name: Robert Napp
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Male
Where born: Kent, England

Civil parish: Swanscombe
Hundred: Axton, Dartford and Wilmington
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
ousehold Members:
Name Age
Robert Napp 35 Ag Lab
Mary Napp 30
Mary Napp 9
Robert Napp 7
Stephen Napp 5
William Napp 4
Charlotte Napp 2
Hannah Napp 1

1871 England Census
about Eleanor Knapp
Name: Eleanor Knapp
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Robert Knapp
Mother's Name: Eliza Knapp
Gender: Female
Where born: St Mary Cray, Kent, England
Civil parish: Cray St Mary
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Bromley
Sub-registration district: Chislehurst
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Knapp 40
Eliza Knapp 41
Charlotte Knapp 18
Stephen Knapp 15
Alice Knapp 11
Robert Knapp 9
Mary Knapp 7
Eleanor Knapp 4
Moses Knapp 1
Fanny Knapp 2 Months


1861 England Census
about Robert Nap
Name: Robert Nap
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza Nap
Gender: Male
Where born: Sutton At Hone, Kent, England

Civil parish: Sutton At Hone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 98
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Nap 30
Eliza Nap 28
Charlotte Nap 8
Stephen Nap 5
Alice Nap 1

Marriages Dec 1853 (>99%)
Cunningham Eliza Dartford 2a 371
Knapp Robert Dartford 2a 371

The first 1901 census i gave you Clair was before we knew Elizabeths father was called Robert.
I will leave it on here in case it becomes relevant further down the road!

My you have been busy whist i was away/

Well done for finding the death entry Mary!!

Death??
Robert Tulett born @ 1864 died Bromley 1889 age 25 A/M/J 2a 219.

Maryb

thnx mary....could do without him being called robert as now im going to get him confused with a later son-in-law lol, but interesting if they go bk to nottingham. was expecting everyone to stay nearer kent. thanku

Alice knapp 1860 married to Henry/Harry Hodson was the sister of Hellen/Ellen/Eleanor born 1866 in 1871 she was Eleanor, daughters of Robert knapp born Nottingham @ 1831 mum Eliza/Elizabeth.

Maryb

would you pronounce the "tu" of tullett like tulip? I just assumed it was 'tull-ett' not 'tu-llett'...but literacy yes. even simple ones like dance & dence.one letter wrong makes all the difference!!
sorry, forgot about Alice in other census....so ellen was widowed & presumably moved in with her sister's family.
can we discount the 1901 census from pricklyholly which had parents as william & esther? or are they connected somewhere along the line?

I would have given a chance at Alice being a sister?

Maureen
Sorry- Tulip and Tullett would sound close to me! Literacy being a bit of a problem?

lol Maureen....tulip & tullett aren't even close! if you're mishearing them & you're job's in important documents, you need another job!!

who are they?? I think I need to scroll up! who is alice to ellen?

I think we all just shuddered at "that name" TULLETT (and variations).

Love TULIP,though!!!!

OK,so is this who they are with in 1891???
Marriages Dec 1881
HODSON Henry Bromley 2a 681
KNAPP Alice Bromley 2a 681

Maureen