Find Ancestors

Ok.. I'm confused on Dist 14 on how you use that part, I think I'm going to give up on this, you all seem to be trying so hard and like you say she may not have been registered at birth though it does seem strange to not find her in census 1861 and 1871 at least with a father named thomas.
What can I say.. I know it may look bad on giving up but I don't know what else to say. I'm going to say thank you all for your help.

It doesn't help that dispite the house numbers being clearly on the enumeration sheets FMP have missed them off Grrrr


T x

I know Tracey - that seems to happen to me all the time!

I cannot find that address on the 1871 census, the numbers stop at 112 for Enumeration Dist 14.... Grrr

I think it might be on the next enumeration district :(


Tracey x

Just as a daft fact - Alice's address was 113 Wellington Row when she married. It sold for £465k in 2007.

Christine, sorry - didn't mean to ignore your question on earlier page about FreeBMD. It's one of the best sites for record searches and it's free.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

The other Alice...

1871 RG number: RG10 Piece: 482 Folio: 39 Page: 71
Reg. District: Bethnal Green Sub District: Green
Address: Cranbrook Place, Bethnal Green County: London, Middlesex
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
HOWARD, Lewis Head M 38 1833 Middlesex
HOWARD, Jane Wife F 38 1833 Middlesex
HOWARD, Sarah Daughter F 18 1853 Middlesex
HOWARD, Alice Daughter F 14 1857 Middlesex
HOWARD, Mary A Daughter F 9 1862 Middlesex
HOWARD, Thomas Son M 6 1865 Middlesex
HOWARD, William Son M 3 1868 Middlesex


Tracey x

Have just realised that on the marriage record she's described as "full age" meaning 21 or over.

If she WAS born 1857 then that would be wrong. However, she could have fibbed about her age at the marriage if she was avoiding the need for parental consent.

Another thing to consider is that Alice might have been a preferred name and not her actual given name - e.g. a middle name. The registrar would on;y record the info given and no proof was required.

Possibly the second witness....

1871 RG number: RG10 Piece: 491 Folio: 33 Page: 60
Reg. District: Bethnal Green Sub District: Church
Address: Bethnal Green Rd, Bethnal Green County: London, Middlesex
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
AMES, Alfred Head M 30 1841 Middlesex
AMES, Eliza Wife F 36 1835 Middlesex
AMES, Eliza Daughter F 0 1871 Middlesex
AMES, Robert Brother M 24 1847 Middlesex
HYAM, Eliza J Servant F 23 1848 Middlesex



Tracey x

Oooo which 1871 census would that be.

The only way it'll have his name wrong is either if the vicar had a fit of memory loss (has been known) or the father didn't exist :(

It is possible she was a base born child :-/

....it's worth mentioning there is an 1857 born Alice Howard on the 1871 census (this could be the one found on the BMD)

I'll check the witness's on the marriage cert see if there are any clues there.


Tracey x

I have found the thomas howard census 1861, 1871, and 1881, I am starting to think we may not find her, I don't really want to order a birthcertificate 1857 B/G just incase it's not her, do you think the marriage certificate may have her fathers name wrong.

1861?

RG number: RG09 Piece: 209 Folio: 91 Page: 25
Reg. District: St Luke Sub District: 4 Finsbury
Address: 3, Colwells Buildings, St Luke County: London, Middlesex
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
HOWARD, Thos Head Married M 27 1834 Traveller Boot Maker Bolton (Boston?)
HOWARD, Rebecca Wife F 29 1832 Bolton (Boston?)
HOWARD, G W Son M 2 1859 Poplor

Tracey x

I just went on ancestry site and looked up for her death after 1911 and not one came up for a Alice Craig, there was a few different surnames though.

Possibly father Thomas in 1871?

1871 RG number: RG10 Piece: 494 Folio: 117 Page: 45
Reg. District: Bethnal Green Sub District: Church
Address: Middleton St, East, Bethnal Green, London County: London, Middlesex
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
HOWARD, Thomas Head M 37 1834 Boston, Lincolnshire <---Boot & Shoe maker
HOWARD, Rebecca Wife F 38 1833 Boston, Lincolnshire
HOWARD, George Son M 12 1859 Poplar, Middlesex

No I do not know when she died, I've found the Alice Howard 1857 B/G, they is also a Shoreditch one,
sorry a little thick here, what do you mean by using FreeBMD.

Do you know when she died?

Depending when it was registered, the death record sometimes gives full date of birth.

PS - make a note of FreeBMD if you're not already using it.

I just looked on Genes Reunited but I have also looked on Ancestry and found a several births for a Alice Howard, some of the dates varied from 1855 to 1857 also diff areas in london middx.

Christine, which site are you searching on?

I found this on Ancestry:


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name: Alice Howard
Year of Registration: 1857
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Bethnal Green
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 252

and it's also on FreeBMD - http://www.freebmd.org.uk:

Births Sep 1857
Howard Alice Bethnal Gn 1c 252

I must be doing something wrong, just looked up birth - for the years 1857 and 1859 bethnal green and just london and came up with nothing.

Baptism of another child.

Name: George Craig
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: 12 Jan 1882
Baptism Date: 5 Feb 1882
Father's Name: Walter Craig
Mother's Name: Alice Craig
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bethnal Green St Jude
Borough: Tower Hamlets

Address is the same as the 1881 census.

Tracey x