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I missed this reply and only just found it Thanks so much Stanley that has given me a huge boost to some of johnston family as I have been unable to trace them anywhere -
Thanks again Kerryn

Jane Lamb JOHNSTON(e) b 14/9/1845 Peterhead (baptised 3/10/1845)
She married 30/6/1864 in Peterhead.
The Johnston connection travelled from Peterhead to South Shields to Liverpool and at least one of the females from that line travelled on to Fremantle, Western Australia.
Eleanor Johnston 1850-1921 married Alexander Mitchell in 1867 Heworth.
Eleanor Mitchell 1871-1955 married Thomas Houghton in 1890 Toxteth Park, Liverpool
The Houghton family arrived Fremantle in 1911 and lived out their days.

thanks so much for all that information everyone

Kerryn

Jane is on a couple of Public Trees on Ancestry but neither have a date of Death only birth.

Jane Lamb Johnston
Birth 03 OCT 1845 in Peterhead, Aberdeenshire, Scotland
Death

Has this death been ruled out?

Deaths Mar 1898 (>99%)
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Sim George 59 Tynemouth 10b 117

George and Janes parents probably died in Scotland but it it George and Jane... Kerryn is looking for not that anything is jumping out at me I must say

jax

Still living in Aberdeenshire 1871

Name: John Sim
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jean Sim
Gender: Male
Where born: Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire
Registration Number: 233
Registration district: Pitsligo
Civil parish: Pitsligo
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: 39 Pittulie
Occupation: Fisherman
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 43
Line: 14
Roll: CSSCT1871_42
Household Members: Name Age
John Sim 60
Jean Sim 69

John remarried in 1881??

Name: John Sim
Age: 69
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Hellen Sim
Gender: Male
Where born: Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire
Registration Number: 233
Registration district: Pitsligo
Civil parish: Pitsligo
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: 39
Occupation: Fisherman
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 42
Line: 12
Roll: cssct1881_68
Household Members: Name Age
John Sim 69
Hellen Sim 56
Thomas Taylor 19

And in 1891?

Name: John Sim
Age: 82
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Halen Sim
Gender: Male
Where born: Pitullie, Aberdeenshire
Registration Number: 233
Registration district: Pitsligo
Civil parish: Pitsligo
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: 39 Pitullie
Occupation: Fisherman (Formerly)
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 102
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1891_71
Household Members: Name Age
John Sim 82
Halen Sim 66


So from that a death for Jane (Jean) Sim will be on SP between 1871 and 1881 and John's death after 1891.

Sorry Jax, I meant George and Jane's parents - if they died in Scotland? i.e. John and Jean (Jane) Sim and William and Catherine Johnston(e).

1861 census

Name: George Sim
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: John Sim
Mother's Name: Jane Sim
Gender: Male
Where born: Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire
Registration Number: 233
Registration district: Pitsligo
Civil parish: Pitsligo
County: Aberdeenshire
Occupation: Fisherman's Son <<<<<<<<<<<
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 39
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1861_32
Household Members: Name Age
John Sim 50 Fisherman, b. Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire
Jane Sim 59 b.Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire
Ann Sim 26 b.Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire
George Sim 22
Adam F Sim 15 b.Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire
Jane Mitchell 3 MO Granddaughter, b.Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire


(Jane and Jean are interchangeable in Scotland)

1861

Name: Jane Johnstone
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: William Johnstone
Mother's Name: Catherine Johnstone
Gender: Female
Where born: Peterhead, Aberdeenshire
Parish Number: 232
Civil parish: Peterhead
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: Blackhills
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 4A
Page: 6 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 24
Line: 20
Roll: CSSCT1851_50
Household Members: Name Age
William Johnstone 32 Gardener, b. Aberdeen
Catherine Johnstone 31 b. Peterhead
William Johnstone 8
Jane Johnstone 5
Ann Johnstone 3
Hellennor Johnstone 1

I would have thought they died in Liverpool rootgatherer? poss George at sea though

jax

Given that George and Jane were both born in Scotland and there isn't an appropriate marriage appearing on FreeBMD, a look on Scotlandspeople reveals 3 possible marriages.

1 1864 SIM GEORGE JOHNSTON JANE PETERHEAD /ABERDEEN 232/00 0028
2 1862 SIM GEORGE VALLANCE JANE TRADESTON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/09 0325
3 1865 SIM GEORGE WALLACE JANE INVERURIE /ABERDEEN 204/00 0001


As Jane gives her birthplace as Peterhead, the first is most likely. i've used a some credits and here are the details

They married on 30 June 1864 at Peterhead after Banns according to the forms of the Wesleyan Church. George Simm, a Ship's Carpenter aged 24 years of Peterhead. His father john Sim a Fisherman and his mother Jean Sim maiden surname Sim were both still alive. Jane Johnston aged 19 years of Burnhaven, Peterhead. Her father William Johnston a Gardener and her mother Catherine Johnston maiden surname Yule were both still alive. The witnesses were were William Sim and Wm. Johnston.

If you buy some credits for Scotlandspeople you will be able to search for the deaths of the parents. Death entries in Scotland give the parents names if the informant knew the details.

Can anyone see either George or Janes Death?

Hope I am not asking too much?


thanks so much yet again - don't know how to repay you guys for all the work you do to help others out but if there is anything ....... please let me know

Thanks

Kerryn

1901 census - household transcription
Person: SIM, Jane
Address: 36, Crete Street, Kirkdale


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SIM, Jane Head Widow F 55 1846
Scotland VIEW
SIM, Mary E Daughter Single F 21 1880 Rubber Factory Hand
Liverpool
Lancashire VIEW
SIM, Thomas Son Single M 15 1886 Flour Mills Labourer
Liverpool
Lancashire VIEW
SIM, Florence Daughter Single F 13 1888
Liverpool
Lancashire VIEW
HITCHIN, John Boarder Married M 40 1861 Engine Fitter
Liverpool
Lancashire VIEW

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1911 census - household transcription
Person: SIM, Jane
Address: 21 Mitylene St Kirkdale Liverpool
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SIM, Thomas Head Single M 25 1886 Flour Miller Liverpool Lancashire VIEW
SIM, Jane Mother Widow F 65 1846 Peterhead Scotland Resident VIEW
SIM, Mary Eleanor Sister Single F 31 1880 Rubber Factory Hand Liverpool Lancashire VIEW
SIM, Florence Sister Single F 23 1888 Envelope Maker Liverpool Lancashire VIEW

so sorry - I missed it - need to take my pills (haha)

Can you see a 1901 or 1911 census with Jane, George and rest of family?

thanks so much yet again

Kerryn

I have given you all the cesus from 1881 to 1911? Is'nt the 1891 the first one listed?

jax

Has anyone been able to find any 1891 census for any of the family? I have been searching but can't find anything - maybe a name mis spelled?

Thanks d.so much for everyones help - very much appreciated

Kerryn

Couldn't resist the Hebburn record.

On the original George is down as a Ship's Carpenter. The census must have been before James' birth that year

1871 England Census
about George Sinn Name: George Sinn
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Sinn
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Hedworth Monkton and Yarrow
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Hebburn Quay
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: South Shields
Sub-registration district: South Shields
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Household schedule number: 227
Household Members: Name Age
George Sinn 32
Jane Sinn 25
William Sinn 6
John Sinn 4
George Sinn 1
John Milen 24


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Regards

Vera

Thanks Vera for the conformation where South shields is I'm in Essex so its all foreign to me

jax

Thanks for everyones help - I really appreciate it!

Kerryn

Kerryn

Jarrow is about 12 miles from Newcastle. I was born in the next town (Hebburn) It was not unusual for someone to say (when giving details out of County) that they were born in Newcastle as it is the nearest City.

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South Shields is the registration district for Jarrow births

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about James Sim Name: James Sim
Year of Registration: 1871
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: South Shields
County: Durham, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10a
Page: 747 (click to see others on page)


Regards

Vera