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And I think this is them with incorrect ages. It is what is on the image but obviously wrong.

1861 England Census
Name: Robert Macdonald
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Anny Macdonald
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Luke
Ecclesiastical parish: Charterhouse St Thomas
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 14 Old St

Occupation: Line Worker (Gold Wire Drawer in 1871)

Registration district: St Luke
Sub-registration district: Whitecross Street
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Macdonald 4
Anny Macdonald 3 - wife; Shoreditch
Percival Macdonald 1 - St Lukes
Sophia Jackson 26 - Lodger
Elizabeth Thompson 12 - Lodger
Harriett Winks 49 - Lodger

Births Dec 1859
MACDONALD Percival St Luke 1b 594
Deaths Dec 1862
MACDONALD Percival Clerkenwell 1b 410

?????

1881 England Census
about Robt. McDonald
Name: Robt. McDonald
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann McDonald
Gender: Male
Where born: Clerkll, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 171 Finnis St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Wire Drawer

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Church
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Robt. McDonald 53
Ann McDonald 47
Ann McDonald 27
Elizabeth McDonald 12
Flora McDonald 7
Alice McDonald 5

Great stuff, Ozi & Marion! What a team! Interesting to see the given names repeated.

:)

Hi Cherilyn.

I go back to my ggranny Marion.My Granny was Marion too.
Great to see where the names come from especially if its an unusual name.


Marion

Thanks again to everyone for their superb contributions in helping me find and understand my family.
It is so appreciated.
Thank you again
Doreen

Dear Ozibird
I think the details from 1861 census could be from another McDonald! What do you think. The spelling of McDonald is Macdonald - but that could be elementary!
All very interesting trying to fit the jigsaw!
Thanks again
xx

In the 1871 that MarionfromScotland found, Robert was a Gold Wire Drawer. Not a common occupation. Also born in Bethnal Green.

Spelling wasn't so formal as it is today.

Ozi

We on the right track ladies?


Marion

Not sure as there is no Ann or Robert jnrs in 1861, but they may have been staying with relatives.

Ozi

Not sure what we are looking for now lol

Well, I think we can be sure of this,

Births Jun 1861
MCDONALD James Rowe Shoreditch 1c 129

and that he married Amy Moore in Bethnal Green in 1882.

Also this is a fairly good chance:
Marriages Jun 1857
McDonald Robert Clerkenwell 1b 717
Rowe Ann Clerkenwell 1b 717

The problem at the moment is finding young Robert & Ann in 1861.

Ozi

Right so we are looking for Robert and Ann age?

These are most likely.

Births Mar 1858
McDonald Ann Shoreditch 1c 119

Births Dec 1859
MCDONALD Robert Shoreditch 1c 1_3

I've been looking but no luck :((

Hi Marion and Ozi
I really appreciate your help. You seem to be on the right track. What was a Gold Wire Drawer?!
Ta.
Doreen

On my grandmother's birth certificate, her name is spelt Alice McDonald. The surname is spelt the same for both her parents. Does this help with the search or not?!

Doreen


not really


One always has to look for all possible spellings


............. you cannot guarantee spelling of anyone's names on those old documents, even the censuses. And sometimes not even on official documents.


Remember that most of our ancestors were illiterate. Many census enumerators were only slightly more literate.

If someone made a mistake in spelling (eg, putting Macdonald instead of Mcdonald), then the ancestor may not have been able to spell sufficiently well to ask for a correction.


that is why we never ever rule out any alternate spellings just on the basis of the spelling.






sylvia

Here you go Doreen (called you Barbara lol)

http://www.occupationalinfo.org/73/735687042.html


CODE: 735.687-042Buy the DOT:Download/CD-ROM
TITLE(s): WIRE DRAWER (jewelry-silver.) alternate titles: roller

Forms wire of specified shape and diameter, preparatory to further processing in fabrication of jewelry articles, using either of following methods: (1) Draws bar of metal through successively smaller holes in hardened steel plate. (2) Feeds bar of metal into mill and turns crank to actuate rollers that compress metal in groove to produce round or

Thanks Marion (I get called Barbara a lot - don't know why!) xx