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good luck!

Thanks Heaps Syvlia

Looks like im off to order the Harding & Rogers marriage

That took some detective work thanks all.

Fingers crossed

Candis

and another batch lot


record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: Joseph Rogers
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 21 Nov 1869
baptism/christening place: CHRISTCHURCH,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND
father's name: Samuel Rogers
mother's name: Sarah
indexing project (batch) number: C14658-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: unknown


name: Samuel Rogers
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 21 Nov 1869
baptism/christening place: CHRISTCHURCH,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND
father's name: Samuel Rogers
mother's name: Sarah
indexing project (batch) number: C14658-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: unknown


name: Harry Rogers
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 21 Nov 1869
baptism/christening place: CHRISTCHURCH,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND
father's name: Samuel Rogers
mother's name: Sarah
indexing project (batch) number: C14658-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: unknown


name: Thomas Rogers
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 21 Nov 1869
baptism/christening place: CHRISTCHURCH,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND
father's name: Samuel Rogers
mother's name: Sarah
indexing project (batch) number: C14658-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: unknown


name: James Rogers
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 21 Nov 1869
baptism/christening place: CHRISTCHURCH,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND
father's name: Samuel Rogers
mother's name: Sarah
indexing project (batch) number: C14658-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: unknown


name: Emma Rogers
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 21 Nov 1869
baptism/christening place: CHRISTCHURCH,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND
father's name: Samuel Rogers
mother's name: Sarah
indexing project (batch) number: C14658-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: unknown




sylvia

from beta.familysearch

Harriet's baptism ....... and birthdate shown


birth: 01 Dec 1847

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: Harriet Elizabeth Rogers
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 08 May 1853
baptism/christening place: CHRISTCHURCH,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND
birth date: 01 Dec 1847
father's name: Samuel Rogers
mother's name: Sarah
indexing project (batch) number: C14658-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: unknown

name: Samuel Frederick Rogers
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 08 May 1853
baptism/christening place: CHRISTCHURCH,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND
birth date: 10 Mar 1849
father's name: Samuel Rogers
mother's name: Sarah
indexing project (batch) number: C14658-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: unknown


name: Elizabeth Mary Rogers
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 08 May 1853
baptism/christening place: CHRISTCHURCH,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND
birth date: 02 Mar 1850
father's name: Samuel Rogers
mother's name: Sarah
indexing project (batch) number: C14658-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: unknown


name: Robert William Rogers
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 08 May 1853
baptism/christening place: CHRISTCHURCH,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND
birth date: 02 Feb 1853
father's name: Samuel Rogers
mother's name: Sarah
indexing project (batch) number: C14658-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: unknown




they did a batch lot of baptisms!!



sylvia

?????????????

Could this be the Samuel Shambler, father of Emily / Emma


England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892

Name: Samuel Shambler
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Date of Trial: 7 Apr 1845
Trial Year: 1845
Location of Trial: Hampshire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment
Crime: See Image
Date of Execution or Release: See Image

On trial at County Sessions

Crime:- Larceny

Sentence:- 1 Month Imprisonment



sylvia

sound of trumpets please!


here is the Rogers family as SHAMBLER in 1861


1861 Census

Name: Samuel Shambler
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah Shambler
Gender: Male
Where born: Christchurch, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Christchurch
Sub-registration district: Christchurch

Samuel Shambler 39 Labourer
Sarah Shambler 35 b.ca 1826, Christchurch
Harriett Shambler 14 b.ca 1847, Christchurch
Frederick Shambler 12 b.ca 1849, Christchurch
Elizabeth Shambler 10 b.ca 1851, Christchurch
William Shambler 8 b.ca 1853, Christchurch
Samuel Shambler 6 b.ca 1855, Christchurch
James Shambler 4 b.ca 1857, Christchurch
Emma Shambler 3 b.ca 1858, Christchurch
Joseph Shambler 1 b.ca 1860, Christchurch

Address:- Hengistbury



and the Shamblers in 1881


Name: Samuel Shambler
Age: 58
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah Shambler
Gender: Male
Where born: Christchurch, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Fisherman

Registration district: Christchurch
Sub-registration district: Christchurch

Samuel Shambler 58
Sarah Shambler 55
Henry Shambler 19
Thomas Shambler 17
George Shambler 9 Grandson
Thomas Shambler 6 Grandson

and this looks as though it could be that same Rogers family in 1871 ........ Emily, Elizabeth, James and Joseph all present.


The name is Rogers, and it has already been corrected. This is what the note re the correction says:-

Rogers rather than Reges
Alias Shambler - please change all the family surnames to Rogers.
Submitted by PhilpottsMayoh on 14/11/2006


Wonder what "alias Shambler" means??



1871 Census

Name: Samuel Reges
[Samuel Rogers]
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah Reges
Gender: Male
Where born: Christchurch, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Christchurch
Ecclesiastical parish: Pokesdown
Town: Haven
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Christchurch
Sub-registration district: Christchurch

Samuel Reges 46 Fiserhman
Sarah Reges 44 b.ca 1827, Christchurch
Elizabeth Reges 20 b.ca 1851, Christchurch
William Reges 18 b.ca 1853, Christchurch, Firsherman
Samuel Reges 16 b.ca 1855, Christchurch, Fisherman
James Reges 14 b.ca 1857, Christchurch, Fisherman
Emily Reges 12 b.ca 1859, Christchurch, Scholar
Joseph Reges 10 b.ca 1861, Christchurch, Scholar
Henry Reges 8 b.ca 1863, Christchurch, Scholar
Thomas Reges 6 b.ca 1865, Christchurch, Scholar

Address:- Haven House




except that Emma/ Emily says in 1891 that she was born in Dorset




sylvia

and this is the 1881 from ancestry for George


1881 Census

Name: George Harding
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Christchurch, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Holdenhurst
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address: 2 Lyton Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Fishmonger

Registration district: Christchurch
Sub-registration district: Christchurch

George Harding 26
James Rogers 23 b.ca 1858, Christchurch, Boarder, Married, Fisherman
Joseph Rogers 21 b.ca 1860, Christchurch, Boarder, Fisherman



sylvia

and how does Elizabeth Rogers fit in??


Marriages Sep 1876 (>99%)

ROFF Charles Christchurch 2b 997
ROGERS Elizabeth Mary Christchurch 2b 997



oh, of course ..... Emma / Emily was a Rogers!


doh!!



sylvia

This is that 1881 Census for Emma, from ancestry


1881 Census

Name: Emma Harding
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Mudeford, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Parkstone
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England

Street address: 3 Kents Cottages
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Wife No Occupation

Registration district: Poole
Sub-registration district: Poole
ED, institution, or vessel: 9

Charles Roff 28 b.ca 1853, Bransgore, Hampshire, Railway Porter
Elizabeth Roff 28 b.ca 1853, Christchurch, Hampshire
Emma Roff 5 b.ca 1876, Christchurch
Elizabeth Roff 1 b.ca 1880, Mudeford
Emma Harding 23
George Harding 3 b.ca 1878, Mudeford
Fredk. Harding 1 b.ca 1880, Bournemouth
George Raiped 18 Lodger





so is she Emma or Emily???

and where is Samuel born 1879


and where did Frederick come from??



aaaaaaarrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhhhhh




sylvia

Two possibles for 1881

George Harding Head marrid 26 1855 Christchurch Fishmonger
James married & Joseph ROGERS fishermen boarding with him only

1881 Dorset
Head Charles FOFF wfe Elizabeth Roff nee ROGERS married 1876 Christchurch
Harding Emma Sister Married F 23 1858 Wife No Occupation Mudeford
Harding George Nephew Single M 3 1878 Mudeford Hampshire
Harding Fredk Nephew Single M 1 1880 Bournemouth Hampshire

So my best bet is to order that marriage then.

Thanks

I was wondering whether it would be a good idea to get Fredericks Birth cert as he appears as a Wtiness on Harold Henry Harding and Jane Elizabths Plants marraige so it seems plausable this is his brother born 1902 Bournemouth.

I cannot find the family on the 1881 Census

George Thomas was apparently born on the Isle of Wight

Births Sep 1876 (>99%)

Harding George Thomas Isle Of Wight 2b 587


while Samuel William's birth was registered in Christchurch, which is the registration district for Bournemouth




and have we found this marriage before???


Marriages Sep 1877 (>99%)

Harding George John Christchurch 2b 990
ROGERS Emma Louisa Christchurch 2b 990
Rogers Emma Louise Christchurch 2b 990




sylvia

??????????


George with his first family in 1891????


and with the second forenames for them all!


1891 Census

Name: George John Harding
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emily Louisa Harding
Gender: Male
Where born: Christchurch, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Holdenhurst
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Bournemouth
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Christchurch
Sub-registration district: Christchurch

George John Harding 37 Fishmonger
Emily Louisa Harding 34 b.ca 1857, Sherborne, Dorset
George Thomas Harding 14 b.ca 1877, Bournemouth, Errand Boy
Samuel William Harding 12 b.ca 1879, Bournemouth
James Henry Harding 9 b.ca 1882, Bournemouth
William Fred Harding 8 b.ca 1883, Bournemouth
Emily Louisa Harding 6 b.ca 1885, Bournemouth
William Olden 36 Lodger

Address:- 2 Rye Cottages, Stewart Road



sylvia

To Clariffy

Which Marriage should I be looking at getting.

Is it the one to Eliza Jane Jefferies.

Or should I be trying to find one for Emily Louisa.

Thank you to everyone who has helped.

Candis

Deaths Mar 1905 (>99%)
Harding Emily Louisa 46 Wells 5c 356

Ahhh!!! now this is interesting.......


1901 England Census
about Emily Louisa Harding
Name: Emily Louisa Harding
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Patient
Gender: Female
Where born: N

Civil Parish: Wells St Cuthbert Out
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Wells
Sub-registration district: Wells
ED, institution, or vessel: Somerset and Bath Pauper Lunatic Asylum

Edit: It states on the image that she is single but as it is not known where she was born, its possible that it was not know if she was married or not.

Oh my you lot have been busy

It could very well be the fact they didnt marry. Trust both my husanbds grandparents not to have got married but lived together.

Sorry for the confusion and headaches.

Your help has been much appreciated in this matter.

You could very well be right there, because if i remember correctly (I will double check) there does not appear to be a death for Emily Louisa Harding between 1891 and 1901 in the Bournemouth area.