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Sorry I am back took longer than I thought to collect parcel. Got lost and stuck in traffic/

Mother is Alice Louisa

Making the year they married about 1901

I can only find a marriage for 1901 to a Barrup for a Harding.

I believe I have the right certs and cenus as the George is a green grocer on all three.

PH

that's what I first noticed ... the diffeerence between mother;s name from birth certificate, and the name on the census


Explanations???


1. George had married yet again

2. We have 2 different George's





sylvia

Clafification

On the 1911 Cenus Harolds mother is Alice Harding aged 30
Harolds birth certificate shows the mother as Alice Louisa Harding frormelry White

Same name on both birth and census without her middle name.

same for Harolds father George.

I could only find one Harold Henry Harding on free bmd which is the certificate I have/ The 1911 census matches the area.

Possible birt h for George found on free bmd

Harding George John Dorchester 5a 329

I would have thought that George was married befor because of the age different and the fact the daughter Louisa is 24 and the mother Alice 30.

I have had no luck in finding a marriage with help also thanks.

Are my findings wrong or incorrect?

Candis

Well, now that we have sorted out that the mother was not Lavinia,
I keep going back to this marriage but it doesn't really make sense
when she should be 'White' ?

Marriages Jun 1902
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****Batt Alice Louisa Andover 2c 432
Farrant Alfred Henry Andover 2c 432
****HARDING George Andover 2c 432
Street Fanny Louisa Andover 2c 432

Dea x

OMG!!! I have just searched all the marriages between 1881 and 1906 for a Lavinia White to a George Harding!!! And of course, there isn't one!!

children of family in 1901 - ?


1901

TAYLOR, William Head Married M 36 1865 Coachman
Torquay
Devonshire VIEW
TAYLOR, Kate Wife Married F 30 1871
Salisbury
Wiltshire VIEW
>>>HARDING, George Lodger Single M 23 1878 Fishmonger
N K VIEW
>>>HARDING, Samuel Lodger Single M 19 1882 Cellarman
Bournemouth
Hampshire VIEW
>>>HARDING, James Lodger Single M 17 1884 Cellarman
Bournemouth
Hampshire VIEW
>>>HARDING, William Lodger Single M 16 1885 Greengrocer
Bournemouth
Hampshire VIEW
PERRY, James Lodger Single M 18 1883 Blacksmith
North Stoneham
Hampshire VIEW
WARD, Charlotte Visitor Single F 30 1871 Milliner
Westbourne Park
London VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
1041 Folio:
57 Page:
47

Registration District:
Christchurch Sub District:
Bournemouth Enumeration District:
12 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Bournemouth Holy Trinity

Civil Parish:
Bournemouth Municipal Borough:
Address:
8, Stafford Road Wolverton Terrace, Bournemouth County:
Hampshire

On the 1911 George has a Daughter Louisa aged 24 years. Could it be possible that George was not actually free to marry Alice as he was still married to his first wife and so George and Alice just "claimed" to be married.

If it were me, I would be looking more closely at the marriage of Geroge Harding and Jane Eliza Jeffries. I think that there is a good chance that the Louisa with Jane on the 1891 census is the same Louisa that is with George in 1911. I suspect that Jane and her husband possibly just went their seperate ways and that she wasn't actually widowed in 1891.

You could very well be right there, because if i remember correctly (I will double check) there does not appear to be a death for Emily Louisa Harding between 1891 and 1901 in the Bournemouth area.

Oh my you lot have been busy

It could very well be the fact they didnt marry. Trust both my husanbds grandparents not to have got married but lived together.

Sorry for the confusion and headaches.

Your help has been much appreciated in this matter.

Ahhh!!! now this is interesting.......


1901 England Census
about Emily Louisa Harding
Name: Emily Louisa Harding
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Patient
Gender: Female
Where born: N

Civil Parish: Wells St Cuthbert Out
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Wells
Sub-registration district: Wells
ED, institution, or vessel: Somerset and Bath Pauper Lunatic Asylum

Edit: It states on the image that she is single but as it is not known where she was born, its possible that it was not know if she was married or not.

Deaths Mar 1905 (>99%)
Harding Emily Louisa 46 Wells 5c 356

To Clariffy

Which Marriage should I be looking at getting.

Is it the one to Eliza Jane Jefferies.

Or should I be trying to find one for Emily Louisa.

Thank you to everyone who has helped.

Candis

??????????


George with his first family in 1891????


and with the second forenames for them all!


1891 Census

Name: George John Harding
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emily Louisa Harding
Gender: Male
Where born: Christchurch, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Holdenhurst
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Bournemouth
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Christchurch
Sub-registration district: Christchurch

George John Harding 37 Fishmonger
Emily Louisa Harding 34 b.ca 1857, Sherborne, Dorset
George Thomas Harding 14 b.ca 1877, Bournemouth, Errand Boy
Samuel William Harding 12 b.ca 1879, Bournemouth
James Henry Harding 9 b.ca 1882, Bournemouth
William Fred Harding 8 b.ca 1883, Bournemouth
Emily Louisa Harding 6 b.ca 1885, Bournemouth
William Olden 36 Lodger

Address:- 2 Rye Cottages, Stewart Road



sylvia

George Thomas was apparently born on the Isle of Wight

Births Sep 1876 (>99%)

Harding George Thomas Isle Of Wight 2b 587


while Samuel William's birth was registered in Christchurch, which is the registration district for Bournemouth




and have we found this marriage before???


Marriages Sep 1877 (>99%)

Harding George John Christchurch 2b 990
ROGERS Emma Louisa Christchurch 2b 990
Rogers Emma Louise Christchurch 2b 990




sylvia

I cannot find the family on the 1881 Census

So my best bet is to order that marriage then.

Thanks

I was wondering whether it would be a good idea to get Fredericks Birth cert as he appears as a Wtiness on Harold Henry Harding and Jane Elizabths Plants marraige so it seems plausable this is his brother born 1902 Bournemouth.

Two possibles for 1881

George Harding Head marrid 26 1855 Christchurch Fishmonger
James married & Joseph ROGERS fishermen boarding with him only

1881 Dorset
Head Charles FOFF wfe Elizabeth Roff nee ROGERS married 1876 Christchurch
Harding Emma Sister Married F 23 1858 Wife No Occupation Mudeford
Harding George Nephew Single M 3 1878 Mudeford Hampshire
Harding Fredk Nephew Single M 1 1880 Bournemouth Hampshire

This is that 1881 Census for Emma, from ancestry


1881 Census

Name: Emma Harding
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Mudeford, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Parkstone
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England

Street address: 3 Kents Cottages
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Wife No Occupation

Registration district: Poole
Sub-registration district: Poole
ED, institution, or vessel: 9

Charles Roff 28 b.ca 1853, Bransgore, Hampshire, Railway Porter
Elizabeth Roff 28 b.ca 1853, Christchurch, Hampshire
Emma Roff 5 b.ca 1876, Christchurch
Elizabeth Roff 1 b.ca 1880, Mudeford
Emma Harding 23
George Harding 3 b.ca 1878, Mudeford
Fredk. Harding 1 b.ca 1880, Bournemouth
George Raiped 18 Lodger





so is she Emma or Emily???

and where is Samuel born 1879


and where did Frederick come from??



aaaaaaarrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhhhhh




sylvia

and how does Elizabeth Rogers fit in??


Marriages Sep 1876 (>99%)

ROFF Charles Christchurch 2b 997
ROGERS Elizabeth Mary Christchurch 2b 997



oh, of course ..... Emma / Emily was a Rogers!


doh!!



sylvia

and this is the 1881 from ancestry for George


1881 Census

Name: George Harding
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Christchurch, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Holdenhurst
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address: 2 Lyton Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Fishmonger

Registration district: Christchurch
Sub-registration district: Christchurch

George Harding 26
James Rogers 23 b.ca 1858, Christchurch, Boarder, Married, Fisherman
Joseph Rogers 21 b.ca 1860, Christchurch, Boarder, Fisherman



sylvia