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not seeing any William Briddon's (or variants) who are confectioners on 1901 or 1911

maybe he had a change of occupation

Thank you for all of this information

Margery

possible marriage of first couple

Name: BRIDDON, William
Registration District: Chesterfield
County: Derbyshire
Year of Registration: 1897
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Volume No: 7B
Page No: 941

MarriageFinder™: William Briddon married one of the following people

BULLIMORE, Mary Ann
BANTON, Annie
BOWNS, David

On Doris Marriage cert it staes confectioner
on Mary's marriage it staes retired pensioner

what was William Briddon's occupation on the marriage certs please?


only 4 Mary Briddon born about 1902 on 1911 census

only these 2 have father as William, the first one also has a 1 month old Doris



1911 census Address: 56 Duchess Street Creswell Mansfield

Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

BRIDDON, William Head Married M 32 1879 Coal Miner Filler Below Ground Brampton Derbyshire
BRIDDON, Annie Wife Married 14 years F 31 1880 West Bromwich North East
BRIDDON, Mary Daughter F 9 1902 Brampton Derbyshire
BRIDDON, William Son M 10 1901 Brampton Derbyshire
BRIDDON, Annie Daughter F 13 1898 Brampton Derbyshire
BRIDDON, Doris Daughter F 0 (1 MONTH) 1911 Creswell Derbyshire
BRIDDON, Walter Son M 5 1906 Brampton Derbyshire


and


1911 census Address: 321 Chatsworth Road Chesterfield

BRIDDON, William Head Married M 36 1875 Potter Brampton Briton
BRIDDON, Hannah Wife Married F 33 1878 Chesterfield
BRIDDON, Florrie Daughter F 11 1900 School
BRIDDON, Maria Daughter F 9 1902
BRIDDON, Jim Son M 5 1906
BRIDDON, Lilly Daughter F 4 1907
BRIDDON, Alice Daughter F 2 1909

Hi Chrissie
I have received both marriage certificates
1- Doris Briddon and Thomas FrancesBrothers
2- Mary Briddon and Thomas Albert Lawrence

on both certificates it staes that their father was William Briddon ( so am assuming they have the same father)

Doris was born in 1912 and Mary in 1902
They both lived in London at time of marriage

But I am wondering if they were born in London? or elsewhere?

Any help from anyone would be great, as I am a bit stuck.

Thanks
Margery

Hi Chrissie
I have sent for the marriage certificates for Mary and Doris, they should arrive tomorrow, so will let you know what is on them.
I recieved the Birth certificate for David with all his appted parents details
(Mary & Thomas Lawrence)
I am hoping that once I get the certificates I will have some more information.
Thanks for your help with the research.
Margery

hello Margery, I'm sorry I haven't been around and didn't see your earlier post, very glad that the name you got did pan out.


Marriages Mar 1935
Briddon Mary Lawrence Westminster 1a 691
Lawrence Thomas A Briddon Westminster 1a 691


very fortunate that you have that record with Thomas's middle name ... this is the only birth after 1900 up to 1911 with that same full name and it is in the right area

Births Dec 1904
Lawrence Thomas Albert Hackney 1b 553

hard to pick out a matching death, maybe

Name: Thomas A Lawrence
Birth Date: abt 1906
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1968
Age at Death: 62 ( one year too young )
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5b
Page: 724


I would certainly agree that the Brothers marriage seems a good fit.

I wonder whether this is the husband's death

Name: Thomas Francis Brothers
Birth Date: 30 Jan 1904
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1979
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Ogwr
Inferred County: Mid Glamorgan
Volume: 27
Page: 0687

Births Mar 1904
Brothers Thomas Francis Islington 1b 180

but I don't see a death for a Doris Brothers about the right age, no middle initial

I am still confused about why David's daughter has so little information about him, was she never in contact with him during his life ?


I think the chance that Doris and Mary are UNrelated is probably about zero so I would certainly get Mary's marriage certificate to find her age and father's name ... if she was born before 1911 we could find her in that census to see whether Doris was born ... and find Mary's parents' marriage and then if Doris was born after 1911 we could find that birth using her mother's surname ...

there's a few Mary and Doris Briddon births listed so getting those marriage certs will hopefully give their ages to help narrow the search and will (fingers crossed) give their father's names

I was wondering about their dates of birth? and where they were born.
Thanks for your help

seems possible, only getting Mary and Thomas's marriage cert will tell

do you need help finding their marriage? (it was in 1935)

Thanks everyone for your help, hope its ok to ask but I need a bit more help on this a certified copy of entry in the adopted childrens register and got the following inromation back
David Lawrence -date of entry 15-Apr 1936
Adotped parents Thomas Albert Lawrence and Mary Lawrence (Nee Briddon), they lived in Brixton.
Does anyone think thta the connection between Mary (Briddon) and David's birth mother (Doris Briddon) could be related.
I am thinking thta maybe I should apply for a marriage certificate for Thomas and Mary? as this may give me a bit more information or does anyone think this could be a waste of time?, but I am wondering if there is a connection between Mary and Doris.
Thanks in advance
Margery

I doubt very much that you will be able to get the adoption record, for reasons laid out earlier in this thread

Thank you
I think the next step must be for me to apply for an adoption record.

Thanks again

only one London possible marriage of Doris, the others are in Yorkshire Derbyshire and Cheshire


BMD Search result details Civil Registration event: Marriage

MarriageFinder™: Doris Briddon married Thomas F Brothers

Name: BRIDDON, Doris
Registration District: Paddington
County: London
Year of Registration: 1936
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Brothers
Volume No: 1A
Page No: 73

Name: BROTHERS, Thomas F
Registration District: Paddington
County: London
Year of Registration: 1936
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Briddon
Volume No: 1A
Page No: 73



7 possible births of Doris between 1905 and 1920 in Yorkshire and Derbyshire


4 possible children to Briddon/ Brothers marriage between 1937 and 1946 in Bridgend Wales

Hi Chrissiex
Well the birth certificate has arrived and I am positive you were right.
So my next question is cana anyone help with the next part of the story
Birth Cert states born 30 Oct 1933 (this is correct)
Mother: Doris Briddon (general servant- domestic, of Hendon)
mother lived at 19 Armitage Road, Golders Green, Hendon
reg- 2 Nov 1933
next part states- Adopted. EF Parson supt Registrar

Can anyone advise me where to go from her?
Thanks

you're welcome, it does look like a really good probability, if the actual birthdates do match you would have a virtual certainty so I would say go ahead and post the info here if so and we can lend a hand further if you need.

Hi Chrissiex
Thank you for this information.
I have ordered the birth certificate.

My daughter in law was in contact with her dad, but he never said anything, apparently her mother had loads of his papers but wont hand anything over, so the information you have given does seem really promising.

Many thanks to you and everyone for help with this.

I will let you know how it turns out once the certificate is received.

Margery

if the birthdate is accurate ... there were 5 Briddon births registered in the last quarter of 1933

I will not put them here as the people could be living but search at freebmd

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

specifying Dec quarter 1933 and you will find them ... always look in freebmd

2 were in London and 3 were in Derbyshire ... actually only one was a boy and that was David in London ... this could seem promising

although he died in Northamptonshire does no one know where he lived during his life ? your daughter in law was not in touch with her dad ?

this is looking quite promising

there is no death for that David Briddon

there is no marriage for a David Briddon ( with no middle name ) that would seem to match up ... there are marriages 1947 and 1960 in Lancashire but I would guess they are both the David born 1923 in Lancashire ...

find the birth at freebmd and that will give you the mother's surname and you will see that this birth does seem a very good candidate

the information at freebmd will also give you the details you need for ordering the birth certificate here

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

After all this time my daughter in law and i think that david lawrence could have had a surname of Briddon, so am hoping that this may lead to some information on her dad, on the other hand it may be a wild card, but we just dont seem to be getting any where.
Any advice is always appreciated

Thanks
margery