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she was 17 and george was 20
john

sorry did that not come through elizabeth was 17 &george was 20

Sorry John, it's got me stumped. The only George that seems to fit from the age went on to marry Elizabeth Blackburn.
I can't find your George and Elizabeth in 1911 either, to check where he says he was born.

I have the marriage cert and my dads birth cert and it has elizabeth whitfield formerly ricketts in 1916 when my dad was born.john

I'm not saying it isn't the right marriage John. Just that in 1891 I can't find a likely George Whitfield that would be 20 in 1900, other than the one who appears to have married Elizabeth Blackburn.
I also have a sneaking suspicion that George wasn't born in Northumberland but I could be wrong of course.

i could not find them on 1901 or 1911 census and there was a daughter born in 1911 called muriel. can iask you if ancestry is better than genes.
john

To settle the Blackburn/Ricketts :


Marriages Sep 1897 (>99%)
BLACKBURN John Newcastle T 10b 256
RICKETTS Elizabeth Newcastle T. 10b 256

1911 census transcription details for: 40 Wesley Street Newcastle-Upon-Tyne
RG14PN30642 RG78PN1755 RD558 SD5 ED3 SN223


Reg. District: Newcastle upon Tyne Sub District: All Saints
Parish: All Saints Enum. District: 3
Address: 40 Wesley Street Newcastle-Upon-Tyne
County: Northumberland
BLACKBURN, John Head Married M 58 1853 Carter General Newcastle on Tyne
BLACKBURN, Elizabeth Wife Married
13 years F 54 1857 Shop Keeper General Dealer Edinburgh Scotland Resident
WHITFIELD, James Allexander Grandson School M 9 1902 School Newcastle on Tyne
CASSIDY, Mary Boarder Single F 29 1882 Servant Domestic Ireland Not Known


Why on earth can't I find the Whitfields in 1911??

Maureen

Ahhhhhhh that's interesting Maureen. So the George I found in 1891 with mother Ann could be John's George after all. If it is he was living in Northumberland but born in Cumberland. It gives mother as single I'm afraid. I suppose she could have been divorsed or widowed though?


Name: George Whitfield
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Ann Whitfield
Gender: Male
Where born: Brampton, Cumberland, England

Civil Parish: Haltwhistle
Ecclesiastical parish: Haltwhistle
Town: Haltwhistle
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Haltwhistle
Sub-registration district: Haltwhistle
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Whitfield 44
George Whitfield 10

the address on this marriage cert is 34 portland rd newcastle that is for george whitfield&elizabeth ricketts both fathers deceased william whitfield&johnricketts
john

I have to go now but it's looking promising John.

I'm afraid I can't answer your question re Ancestry v Genes. I always use Ancestry and have never used Genes.

Well,that'll do it:
1901 census transcription details for: 34, Portland Road, Byker, Newcastle Upon Tyne
RG number: RG13 Piece: 4788 Folio: 39 Page: 3


Reg. District: Newcastle upon Tyne Sub District: Byker
Parish: Byker Enum. District: 2
Ecclesiastical District: St Judes Shieldfield City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 34, Portland Road, Byker, Newcastle Upon Tyne
County: Northumberland

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
BLACKBURN, John Head Married M 45 1856 Grocer General
Newcastle on Tyne
BLACKBURN, Elizabeth Wife Married F 41 1860 Grocer General
Newcastle on Tyne
WHITFIELD, George Son-In-Law Married M 21 1880 Cartman General
Cumberland
WHITFIELD, Elizabeth Daughter Married F 17 1884 Housekeeper
Newcastle on Tyne
WALSH, Margaret Boarder Single F 19 1882 Servant General
Newcastle on Tyne
CULLEN, Robert Boarder Single M 23 1878 Bricklayer
Ireland
JAMIESON, Samuel Boarder Single M 22 1879 Bricklayer
Ireland
MACABE, Peter Boarder Single M 26 1875 Paint Worker General
Ireland
STACK, Edward Boarder Single M 39 1862 Lead Worker Furnaceman
Ireland
FISH, James Boarder Single M 38 1863 Cartman General
Newcastle on Tyne

I just have to ask,though...are you certain Muriel was their child?? This is the only one I see. Who exactly is your ancestor??

1911 census transcription details for: 2 Portland St Newcastle on Tyne
RG14PN30606 RG78PN1753 RD558 SD3 ED28 SN262


Reg. District: Newcastle upon Tyne Sub District: Elswick
Parish: Elswick Enum. District: 28
Address: 2 Portland St Newcastle on Tyne
County: Northumberland
WHITFIELD, John Head Married M 36 1875 Coal Miner Deputy Overman Victoria Garesfield Co Durham
WHITFIELD, Sarah Jane Wife Married
18 years F 30 1881 Boyne Co of Durham
WHITFIELD, Elizabeth Tyrell Daughter F 11 1900 Crook Co Durham
WHITFIELD, Florrie Daughter F 9 1902 Crook Co Durham
WHITFIELD, Mathew Son M 7 1904 Crook Co Durham
WHITFIELD, Sarah Jane Daughter F 4 1907 Winifred Co Durham
WHITFIELD, Robert Aldworth Son M 2 1909 Hamsterley Colliery Co Durham
WHITFIELD, Muriel Daughter F 0 (2 MONTHS) 1911 Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland

Maureen

PS- Do you know any other children pre-1911 for your Whitfields?

i have that birth wrote down brampton volume 10b pge 473 i think i have to obsesed with northumberland so iwill go down that track but thanks for all your help i am going to do my dinner now thanks again
john

That's the 1901 census we saw Maureen. That's why we though that George had married Elizabeth Blackburn.

no muriel was the oldest .john

Elizabeth Ricketts (mother) married John Blackburn. Elizabeth Ricketts (daughter) married George Whitfield.

BLACKBURN, John Head Married M 45 1856 Grocer General Newcastle on Tyne
BLACKBURN, Elizabeth Wife Married F 41 1860 Grocer General Newcastle on Tyne
WHITFIELD, George Son-In-Law Married M 21 1880 Cartman General Cumberland
WHITFIELD, Elizabeth Daughter Married F 17 1884 Housekeeper Newcastle on Tyne
WALSH, Margaret Boarder Single F 19 1882 Servant General Newcastle on Tyne
CULLEN, Robert Boarder Single M 23 1878 Bricklayer Ireland
JAMIESON, Samuel Boarder Single M 22 1879 Bricklayer Ireland
MACABE, Peter Boarder Single M 26 1875 Paint Worker General Ireland
STACK, Edward Boarder Single M 39 1862 Lead Worker Furnaceman Ireland
FISH, James Boarder Single M 38 1863 Cartman General Newcastle on Tyne

Registration District: Newcastle upon Tyne Sub District: Byker Enumeration District: 2 Ecclesiastical Parish: St Judes Shieldfield

Civil Parish: Byker Municipal Borough:
Address: 34, Portland Road, Byker, Newcastle Upon Tyne County: Northumberland

elizabeth blackburn must have been married twice and been ricketts before blackburn? he only died in 1896 so it didnt take her long.well that is sorted thank for all your help.
john

George possibly with grandparents in 1881:

WHITFIELD, John Head Widower M 60 1821 Agricultural Laborer Irthington Cumberland
WHITFIELD, Ann Daughter Single F 29 1852 Servant Domestic Irthington Cumberland
WHITFIELD, William Grand Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar Irthington Cumberland
WHITFIELD, John Grand Son Single M 3 1878 Irthington Cumberland
WHITFIELD, George Grand Son Single M 2 1879 Irthington Cumberland

Registration District: Brampton Sub District: Walton

Civil Parish: Irthington
Address: Laversdale, Irthington County: Cumberland

** Ignore this one, see below.

mc how do i keep all this you have found for me?john

No, think this is the right 1881, following the earlier 1891 by Christine:

WHITFIELD, William Head Single M 30 1851 Coal Winner Newcastle Northumberland
WHITFIELD, Ann Sister Single F 35 1846 Formerly Farm Servant Medomsley Durham
WHITFIELD, George Nephew Single M 0 1881 Brampton Cumberland

Registration District: Haltwhistle Sub District: Haltwhistle

Civil Parish: Haltwhistle Municipal Borough:

Address: 8, Pit Cottages, Haltwhistle County: Northumberland

**Note Ann's brother's name is William. If he helped bring up George and "was like a father to him" then perhaps that's where the name on marriage certificate came from.

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All the girls on here have given you some good info and clues.

Oh - one thing. You mentioned that Elizabeth mother hadn't wasted any time remarrying. One thing to bear in mind was that there was no benefits system in those days. It was often a case of marrying someone to provide for your family, or the poorhouse!