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Thanks Ann :)

ann, thanks again and now have managed to trace back to when herbert was a wee boy. it says his name is herbert j crosthwaite. so maybe the cousin guessed the name! anyway i traced the family and herberts mother, who strangley enough is called florence as was my granmother and gt grandma. she was born in 1860.

so alls well that ends well
thanks
florence

sorry to bring complications again but as all the rest of the marriage births etc are Stockport I think this is more likely to be your Herbert's birh - remember the census was always taken early in the year so the birth year is frequently 1 less than that calculated form the census age

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1886
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
CROSTHWAITE Herbert Heaton Norris Stockport BOWDEN HEA/67/2

also at no time is he described as Herbert J.

that would give these as herbert's parents

Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1871 to 1875
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CROSTHWAITE William BOWDEN Ann Maria Bredbury, St Mark Stockport ST64/3/495

and siblings

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1875
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
CROSTHWAITE John William Heaton Norris Stockport BOWDEN HEA/47/89
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1877
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
CROSTHWAITE Harry Heaton Norris Stockport BOWDEN HEA/51/23
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1880
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
CROSTHWAITE Fred Heaton Norris Stockport BOWDEN HEA/55/66
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1882
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
CROSTHWAITE Alice Heaton Norris Stockport BOWDEN HEA/59/42
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1884
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
CROSTHWAITE Harriet Heaton Norris Stockport BOWDEN HEA/63/49
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1886
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
CROSTHWAITE Herbert Heaton Norris Stockport BOWDEN HEA/67/2
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1890
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
CROSTHWAITE Harold Heaton Norris Stockport BOWDEN HEA/74/31

do any of these ring a bell as family names?

hi again folks. well i looked at the 1901 census. searched for herbert j crosthwaite born 1887 and there he is with his mother florence and brother dudley. it lists him as herbert j. i know he married lily because thats the info i have m 1907 sep in stockport.

i see what you mean about his birth being in liverpool but maybe they moved to derby soon after, which is near to cheshire .

i dont know any of the other names you mentioned but would have to ask some qustions in the family to confirm

thanks anyway
florence

sorry Florence you have lost me there - where did the Liverpool & Derby bits come from?

Herbert not Herbert J. married Lily in 1907

The Herbert birth I gave you in Stockport is likely to be his birth in 1886

do you have any certificates to prove any of the info you have?

hi lanc ann,i have been studying all this info carefully and know now how the confusion has arisen and that i think you are right.

when i searched on gr in all records for herbert, i got 2 entries. one in hunslet 1887 and the other in liverpool 1888.

but when i searched gr in births i got different results. i got one herbert born stockport 1886 which does not show on the all records search. so taking that into account i believe you have found the correct details.

i am going to order the birth or marriage cert to be sure.

now my grt aunty annie crosstwaite had a son who is my dads 1st cousin. we have just been reunited for the first time, but some 40 years since he and my father lost contact.

so it was he who gave me the names of his grandparents which included the name johnson.

anyway once i get the cert, that will sort it once and for all. so herbert had quite a large family of siblings and that will take a bit of work putting all in a tree. but hey we like to be kept busy dont we, hate being bored!lol

so thanks to all for all your hard work, hopefully herbert has been sorted out.

florence

ps lanc ann the liverpool and derby was the other herbert that came up on all records born 1887.

hi lanc ann, am i just blind or what? but try as i might i cannot find the whole family on 1901 census. on 1881 the spelling is crossthwaite. so i tried that and then just one s but to no avail, not even in 1891 can i see them either?

i know you found them in cheshire marriages but did you find them at all on the census?

florence

Here's the 1891 from Ancestry.

1891 England Census
about Herbert Crosswaite
Name: Herbert Crosswaite
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Crosswaite
Mother's name: Maria Crosswaite
Gender: Male
Where born: H Norris, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Heaton Norris
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Stockport
Sub-registration district: Heaton Norris
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Crosswaite 37
Maria Crosswaite 35
John Wm Crosswaite 15
Harry Crosswaite 13
Fred Crosswaite 11
Herbert Crosswaite 4
Joe Crosswaite 2
Harold Crosswaite 8/12
Alice Crosswaite 8
Harriett Crosswaite 6


Christine

I don't have access to census records unless I am in the library or Rec office so had not looked. That 1891 of Christine's certainly fits the family I found on cheshirebmd.

just had a limited look on ancestry. Is this a possible

Herbert Cronwhithe - born Lancs living Cheshire mother Maria

Well spotted Ann, here's the transcription.

1901 England Census
about Herbert Cronwhithe
Name: Herbert Cronwhithe
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Relation: Son
Father's name: Wm Cronwhithe
Mother's name: Maria Cronwhithe
Gender: Male
Where born: Stockport, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Stockport
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England


Registration district: Stockport
Sub-registration district: Heaton Norris
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 80
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm Cronwhithe 47 joiner
Maria Cronwhithe 45
Harry Cronwhithe 23
Fred Cronwhithe 21
Alice Cronwhithe 19
Harriett Cronwhithe 16
Herbert Cronwhithe 14
Joseph Cronwhithe 12
Harold Cronwhithe 10

Christine