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Thanks Kathe,will be going through all this info to try and make sense of it it all. Thanks for the great research.

A couple of possibilities for the death of the child which the 1911 census says was born and died to the marriage of Clara Jane (although the spelling of the surname is now Tickner instead of Ticknor but this is probably just a mis-transcription as there is no Ticknor death recorded in the correct time-frame):-

Name: Dorothy F Tickner
Estimated birth year: abt 1910
Year of Registration: 1910
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 0
District: Reigate
County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 114

or:-

Name: Male Tickner
Estimated birth year: abt 1911
Year of Registration: 1911
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 0
District: Epsom
County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 49

Kath. x

This looks like the death of Clara Jane's husband:-

Name: Henry T Ticknor
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Year of Registration: 1913
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 33
District: Epsom
County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 83

Kath. x

The same Jane Davis in 1891 census (although age is out a bit):-


Name: Jane Davis
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Emanuel Davis
Mother's name: Jane Davis
Gender: Female
Where born: Dorking, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Leatherhead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary and St Nicholas
Town: Leatherhead
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address: Fairfield, Swan Pit.

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Epsom
Sub-registration district: Leatherhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age

Emanuel Davis 76
Jane Davis 64
Jethro Davis 24
Jane Davis 14
Wanzalow Davis 18, grandson
John Hedges 28, boarder
John King 33, boarder
George Heathcott 50, boarder

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 548; Folio 53; Page 53; GSU roll: 6095658.

I wonder if this could be Clara Jane Davis in the 1881 census using her middle name:-

Name: Jane Davis
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Emmanuel Davis
Mother's name: Jane Davis
Gender: Female
Where born: Dorking, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Reigate Foreign
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address: 2 Cyprus Terrace
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Reigate
Sub-registration district: Reigate
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age

Emmanuel Davis 60
Jane Davis 52
Jethro Davis 13
Isabella Davis 16
Jane Davis 7
Ambrose Davis 8
James West 52, lodger
Maria West 46, lodger
Lizzie West 12, lodger
Emma West 8, lodger
Amos West 4, lodger
Thomas Southern 26, lodger
Kezia Southern 24, lodger
Phoebe Southern 3, lodger
Sheba Southern Younger Than 1, lodger

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 798; Folio: 36; Page: 11; GSU roll: 1341188.

You can see that Clara Jane has a sister called Isabella whom she may have named her daughter after. There is also a Kesia in the household who could have been the reason for her other daughter being named Kesiah. There is also Pheobe. If she was brought up in the same household as these people she may have thought of Kesia and Phoebe as siblings even if they weren't.

Just something to think about really and would need checking.

Kath. x

Another good posability, thanks tempest

I think that when the original 1911 census had been completed the person made an error and wrote the relationship the children had with with Jane

however it is possible this was altered to show they were neices of the head of house; John Brown

suggesting that it is possible that either John Brown or his wife Pheobe are the sibling of either Clara Jane or her husband Henry Ticknor

It looks as though Jane clara Davis Had two daughters out of wedlock. Sometime in her life Jane marries or changes her name to ticknor. To hide the fact her daughters were born out of wedlock she later changes her daughters status from daughter to niece. Further more we know she has changed the age of Keziah to 1 year younger. and later the spelling of the name, where the H in her name is removed.......I believe this to be Liza. It also looks as if the dates of Isabel's age have been changed over the years for various reasons. This is the probable reason as to why it has been so hard to find any solid facts about her life.

An interesting story for me at the least!

possible birth of Kezia Elizabeth

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Keziah E Davis Name: Keziah E Davis
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Reigate
County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 184a

Births Mar 1877 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DAVIS Clara Jane - Dorking 2a 158

I think that is the best next step for me Kathleen. I will do this straight away, and let everybody know how I get on.

So it looks as if JANE could be the mother of my great grans Isabel. and Isabel is the correct spelling. This is all adding up to be a very interesting story lol. There seems to be plenty of cover ups!!!!! Wish I had more information. But Her son died a few years ago. Myself and my family have never known him. Her daughter Ann is ageing. I have also never known her. Though she has written the odd christmas card to my mother. This is where I have collected most of my information.
Thanks so much for the good work guys.

If there is anymore information you can find that will help me peice together and confirm all of these new details posted today, I would be thankful.

Mike,

I'd say that looks a good bet for Isabella's parent's marriage.

Adam,

If I was you I would buy the birth certificate for Isabella F. Davis and see if her mother's first name was Clara Jane.

Kath. x

Hi Tempest. This looks very interesting. I think I will upgrade and buy access to the 1911 census records

Hi Tempest. This looks very interesting. I think I will upgrade and buy access to the 1911 census records

Hi Tempest. This looks very interesting. I think I will upgrade and buy access to the 1911 census records

Marriages Dec 1909

**************DAVIS Clara Jane Epsom 2a 47
HOLES George Epsom 2a 47
KENT Eliza Louisa Epsom 2a 47
**************TICKNOR Henry Thomas Epsom 2a 47

1911 census - household transcription
Person: DAVIS, Isabel Frances
Address: Gravel Hill Leatherhead

Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

BROWN, John Head Married M 40 1871 Labour Pauncett St Mary
BROWN, Phoebe Wife Married 11 years F 51 1860 Kent Lewisham
TICKNOR, Jane Boarder Married 2 years F 33 1878 Laundress Surrey Dorking (1 child born to marriage who had died by 1911)
DAVIS, Kezia Elizabeth Niece F 9 1902 Surrey Reigate (original states daughter which was crossed out and niece added)
DAVIS, Isabel Frances Niece F 2 1909 Surrey Leatherhead (original states daughter which was crossed out and niece added)

Hi Cathleen. That looks like a great bit of Info. I have just discovered more new information for every one lol. It looks as though Isobel son James Pratt later in life changed his surname to DAVIS. There has never been an apparent reason for this..........maybe until now?!! :p

This is all a mind blowing set of information guys lol

Thanks for the info Kathleen :)

Hi Julie,Have looked into it. There are no mentions I have found of a middle name. Thats not to say that there wasnt. I will probe a little deeper. Thank you for your help :)