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Actually I am working off the top of my head here, it might have been Margaret Mulholland (half sister to Lucy Ann Mulholland) that married Wm Sampson's brother, and they had Thomas Sampson who married Bridget reardon, I need to go back to the handwritten tree to be sure!

Can't wait to get back to this, and unravel some more.

Well thats a surprise as William Henry Sampson is brother to Thomas Sampson who married Bridget Reardon daughter to Bridget Campbell (THomas and Bridget being my great grandparents) - we had always been told that this family was very interweaved but I dont think I realised quite how much!

One of the Fennell line (Catherine Campbell married a Mr Fennell) one of their line married one of the Reardon line as well so they were all related at one point, Another of the Fennell line married the son of Thomas and Bridget Sampson.

I think this family is going to take a lot more digging and research, if only some of them were still alive to talk to!

Victoria....Lucy Ann Mulholland married Wm Henry Sampson at St Nicholas RC Church 1881 marriage registerd March quarter.
Cant see them on 1881 Census so far....but have picked them up in Birkenhead 1891....

I missed the 1881 census as well due to the *John*, however I am 98% certain it is the right family as their youngest daughter was Maria, and all the other names match my family history. Again according to this his first daughter and son Margaret and John born to Anne McCrave were sent to live with relatives in Ireland, but it says they were happiest 12 years of Margaret's life, as she then went to join her father and new wife, which would tie in with Thomas marrying Julia Long mid to late 1860's, and they do appear with them on the 1871 census.

All this info is great, thanks. I am going to be going off line as we have a family do for New Year today so would be told off if I was attached to my laptop for it!

I have to say ijn the last 48 hours I feel I have learnt loads and also made some serious headway so thanks to everyone who has helped to contribute to this, and confirm/find things.

Victoria...This I think is Thomas and family...1881.....Note you will have to check "original" to confirm "John" as Julia.....probably mis-transcribed...

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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Thos. MULHOLLAND Head M Male 49 Ireland Cattle Dealer
*John* MULHOLLAND Wife M Female 38 Ireland None
Thos. MULHOLLAND Son Male 13 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Scholar
Eliza MULHOLLAND Daur Female 11 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Scholar
James MULHOLLAND Son Male 10 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Scholar
Maria MULHOLLAND Daur Female 7 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Scholar
Susan STANLEY Serv U Female 20 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Genl Domestic Servant


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Source Information:
Dwelling 44 & 46 Gill St
Census Place Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341867
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3619 / 108
Page Number 49

Morning Victoria...Aren't you doing well !!!
I had noted a Thomas M (Butcher) on a later Census but didnt connect him (wife Julia) at the time...
I havent been able to locate a Nathaniel death either but am sure its there to be found eventually....
Juia may well have been "born" in Ireland but I would be looking closer to home for her...unless as you say Thomas went back to Ireland maybe to visit the children and met and married her...mmm...

By the way Julia Mulholland was born in Ireland, so maybe he went back to Ireland to marry her?

BINGO!!

Thanks so muc Eringobragh1916 - sometimes you dont thik of doing the obvious yourself, I have found Thomas Mulholland with all children in 1871, absolutely brilliant! Note also the James Campbell with them listed as a visitor from Ireland, also in the meat trade/butcher, which seems to be the family business, and further confirms the connection to the Campbell family (although I have no idea who he is!!)

Thomas Mulholland
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Julia Mulholland
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Silas
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Mount Pleasant
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 108
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Mulholland 38
Julia Mulholland 28
Margeret Mulholland 17
John Mulholland 16
Lucy Ann Mulholland 12
Thos Mulholland 3
Eliza Mulholland 1
James Patrick Mulholland 2 Months
James Campbell 36
Owen Mulholland 16
Mary Ann Jones 36
Mary Hannah 20

Thanks for the advivce, I have been rying to look into Irish records and was coming to that conclusion!

I have been trying to find nathaniel's death, but no joy so far.

As for the first wife of Thomas Mulholland, I beleive they were married in ireland, and she died in Ireland (the sotry goes a young doctor administered chloroform to her during childbirth and overdosed her, then tried to revive her by hitting her with wet towels and she died due to this!! Love these folk tales. The 2 children from this first marriage were sent to live with relatives in Ireland, and possibly came over to Liverpool 12 years later, so around 1870's. I know the names of the children from this third marriage so will go and dig them out and see where I get. Many thanks yet again

Going back though all my information I know now where I got the name Mary Campbell from, she is on the 1871 census as a widower living with her eldest daughter Bridget and husband James Reardon in Liverpool.

Victoria...Why dont you check out Nathaniel (Dean St.) that Flick posted yeaterday....There are plenty of Irish sites to check but they can be costly at this stage when you need to be sure of the family and their connection....
I have checked the family search (IGI) site for Thomas' first marriage and cannot find it in Ireland....were the children born in L'Pool...where did his first wife die..?
I also cannot find any marriage to a Julia Long in UK.....a check of 1871 census may show where "Lucy Ann" Mulholland is living and with whom....
Dont go dipping your toes in the Irish sea just yet...you may pay dearly for the experience...!!

Erinobragh1916 I thinnk I am on a roll now, found Lucy M on the 1861 census
Lucy Mulholland
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Thomas Mulholland
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Silas
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Islington
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 17
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Mulholland 29
Lucy Mulholland 27
Lucy Ann Mulholland 2
Margaret McMugan 57

Is it possible to acces Irish records? as far as I know he married her in Dundalk, and it was there she died in childbirth to the son. I am currently trying to find the Campbell's crossing to Liverpool to see if that might shed some light, at least we would then know when they settled here.

Victoria...You are doing great...(Maybe you will find Mary in Dundalk...eventually..!!)
I still cannot locate a first marriage of Thomas M.to a Mary McGrave...!!

Erinobragh1916, I have just signed up to the 1911 census and checked the above. Thanks for the tip. His parents are listed as William Fennell and Honora Fennell. On ancestry I have just found their marriage in 1909
William Fennell to Honora Arid which is great. I now need to try and trace the father William backwards!

Thanks

Victoria...As Richard's Birth was Reg 1910 then he should be on the 1911 Census with his parents...I do not have access or would check for you..
Have had aquick look at the index...a Richard Wm Gerald b Lisguard Cheshire...1911 living Kings Norton (Birmingham)

Again I think I have found one of the Fennell offspring but need to ask for some help again please.

Richard William G Fennell
Year of Registration: 1910
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Birkenhead (1861-1998)
County: Cheshire, Merseyside
Volume: 8a
Page: 586 (click to see others on page)

On previous threads people have provided more information than this which I assume are baptism records or something, would it be possible for someone to look this up for me so I can confirm his parents or at least father. I have also found his marriage and I know of definate he married Maureen Reardon, so I know this is the correct marriage reference but again is anyone abloe to access anything more on line which might give more details or do I need to send of the marriage certifiate?

Richard G Fennell
Spouse Surname: Reardon
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1947
Registration district: Liverpool
Registration county (inferred): Lancashire
Volume Number: 10d
Page Number: 1313

Many thanks

Thank you so much Flick, I can now see the merits of working backwards. Maybe if I can trace the sisters I might strike lucky and find one of them has the mother living with them, although I guess this will prove more difficult as both Catherine and Mary have question marks against their names which I assume means the author of my family history is unsure of their names, and only the surnames of the husbands.I guess at least I know the offspring of the Fennell line which is another starting point.

I appreciate all the advice I have been given, and I have learnt the benefits of starting with the present and going backwards instead of trying to go the other way.

Happy New Year to you as well

So her father WAS Joseph............1861

Name: Ellen Campbell
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Joseph Campbell
Mother's name: Ellen Campbell
Gender: Female
Where born: Holyhead, Anglesey, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Holyhead
County/Island: Anglesey
Country: Wales


Registration district: Anglesey
Sub-registration district: Holyhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 8g
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 29
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Campbell 26 Occ: Cattle Dealer
Ellen Campbell 25
Ellen Campbell 5
Margaret Campbell 2
Patrick Waters 16
Michael Eilcey 26
John Handley 25

Parents both born IRELAND

1901

Name: Ellen Bogue
Age in 1901: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Francis Bogue
Gender: Female
Where born: Holyhead, Anglesey, Wales

Civil Parish: Holyhead
Ecclesiastical parish: Holyhead St Cybi and St Seiriol
Town: Holyhead
County/Island: Anglesey
Country: Wales

Registration district: Holyhead
Sub-registration district: Holyhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 218
Household Members: Name Age
Francis Bogue 47
Ellen Bogue 43
Francis Bogue 22
Joseph Bogue 21
Michael Bogue 17
James Bogue 14
Thomas Bogue 12
John Bogue 10
Marry Bogue 18
Alice Murphy 18