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Wendy

Wendy Report 26 Dec 2010 17:47

Can anyone help me find the surname of Benjamin ,who was married to Blanche Elizebeth Hayes ,born 1891,They had a daughter Phyllis ,he died soon after his daughter was born which was in 1918 in Croydon ,he was a warrant officer in the RGA , Blanche was born in Whiltshire ,and that is where I have drawn a blank,if anyone can help I would be grateful

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 26 Dec 2010 17:55

If this is Phyllis's birth, then either Hayes was her mother's maiden AND married name, or more likely, her parents weren't married.

Birth: Hayes Phyllis M Hayes Croydon 2a 403 OND 1918.

There is no other birth reg of a Phyllis M in Croydon under another surname but with mother maiden name Hayes in the same qtr, which would give her father's surname if he was mentioned on the birth cert.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 26 Dec 2010 18:06

Blanche in census 1911?:

HAYES, Alfred Head Married M 53 1858 Gardener Domestic Glostershire Sevenhampton England.
HAYES, Charlott Wife Married 32 years F 50 1861 Wilts Bradford .
>>>HAYES, Blanchie Daughter Single F 20 1891 Wilts West Yatton .

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Registration District:
Chippenham Sub District:
Corsham Enumeration District:
5 Parish:
Corsham

Address:
2 Meadland Cottages Pickwick Corsham Wiltshire

5 children born of the marriage, 1 deceased by census 1911.

Kay????

Kay???? Report 26 Dec 2010 18:07


There doesnt seem to be a marriage between Blanche and/ or any Benjamin/e prior to the birth.

Dea

Dea Report 26 Dec 2010 18:08

Wendy - what was Benjamin's surname please ???

Dea x

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 26 Dec 2010 18:10

Blanche in census 1891:

Name: Blanche E Hayes
Age: 1/12
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Alfred Hayes
Mother's name: Charlotte Hayes
Gender: Female
Where born: Yatton Keynell, Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Yatton Keynell
Ecclesiastical parish: Yatton Keynell
Town: West Yatton
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Registration district: Chippenham
Sub-registration district: Castle Combe
ED, institution, or vessel: 3

Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Hayes 32 c1859 Sevenhampton, Gloucestershire, England.
Charlotte Hayes 34 c1857 Bradford On Avon, Wiltshire, England.
Edward Hayes 11
Florence Hayes 7
Annie M Hayes 5
Blanche E Hayes 1/12
Elizabeth Hayes 74 mother c1817 North Wraxall, Wiltshire, England.


MargaretM

MargaretM Report 26 Dec 2010 18:10

Possible birth of Phyllis but her surname is same as maiden name of mother making it look as if she's illegitimate:

Births Dec 1918 (98%)
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Hayes Phyllis M Hayes Croydon 2a 403

Edit: Oops! Should have refreshed before I answered!

Wendy

Wendy Report 26 Dec 2010 18:13

Thanks ,Yes I understand that,but they did marry,but he was already married,but thought his wife had died as she was a nurse in ww1 and both doing there own work ,in those days were seperated and he believed she was dead,so married Blanche ,he died soon after and she reverted to her maiden name,the daughter is Hayes,and it is possible they married after she was born,but they did marry , this is difficult to say the least ,but I am hopeful someone might know something

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 26 Dec 2010 18:15

The only marriage I can find of a Blanche E Hayes is this, not a Benjamin in sight.:

Marriages Sep 1921 (>99%)
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Burge William G Hayes Cardiff 11a 950
Hayes Blanche E Burge Cardiff 11a 950

Wendy

Wendy Report 26 Dec 2010 18:17

Thanks ,Yes I understand that,but they did marry,but he was already married,but thought his wife had died as she was a nurse in ww1 and both doing there own work ,in those days were seperated and he believed she was dead,so married Blanche ,he died soon after and she reverted to her maiden name,the daughter is Hayes,and it is possible they married after she was born,but they did marry , this is difficult to say the least ,but I am hopeful someone might know something

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 26 Dec 2010 18:18

Marriage of a Blanche Hayes before the birth, but again, no Benjamin:

Marriages Sep 1917 (>99%)
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Hayes Blanche Reynolds W.Ham 4a 305
Reynolds Percy Hayes W.Ham 4a 305

Wendy

Wendy Report 26 Dec 2010 18:22

I have found that one too ,It is Benjamin as I have a photo whiche he sent to Blanche , that says yours Benjamin ,and it looks just like Phillis ,I am grateful for your help that you are doing for me

Wendy

Wendy Report 26 Dec 2010 18:24

Dea this is it I do not Know his Surname

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 26 Dec 2010 18:30

I'm sorry not to be of any help,but there just doesn't seem to be any record of a marriage of Blanche Hayes, bigamous or not, to a man with the first forename Benjamin, at least in England and Wales.

I take it that you have Phyllis's birth cert and that it has no reference to the father - I would have expected her to be indexed under his name as well if there were.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 26 Dec 2010 18:36

Really really long shot, but if you could find a site with photos of warrant officers in the RGA, you could try matching up your photo?

Also to try and find out if the RGA had any warrant officers, forename Benjamin.

Wendy

Wendy Report 26 Dec 2010 18:48

Kucinta ,yes that sounds like It might be my only hope ,worth a try,thank you for all your help,Yes if I did find a Photo It would make my day, Blanche did remarry after many years and had two more daughters and they both said she did marry him ,but there are no other leads

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 26 Dec 2010 18:53

Was this the 'second' marriage?

Name: Blanche E Hayes
Spouse Surname: Batchelor
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1931
Registration district: Lambeth
Registration county (inferred): Surrey
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 737
Spouse: Austin E Batchelor Hayes Oct-Nov-Dec 1931 Lambeth Surrey

Daughters Pamela and Shirley?

Wendy

Wendy Report 26 Dec 2010 19:07

Kucinta, yes that is the ones,how good are you, but there is still know way of finding out who he was ,only as what we have already said,IS THERE,Oh if only,You see he is my grandad and I would dearly love to know what happened to him and where he is buried,

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 26 Dec 2010 19:25

But if she married Austin Batchelor using the name Hayes she couldn't have been previously married.

mac

mac Report 26 Dec 2010 19:32

If you have Phillis birth certificate, does it give an address so you could try for an ER look-up to see who was living there when she was born?