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25 Dec 2010 22:31 |
Can anyone help with this? Kenneth Brennan was born, illegitimately, on 15 Feb 1912 in Grimsby, his parents were given as Norah Brennan and John Elston, house furnishers manager, both living at 12 Haven Terrace, Grimsby. They were not there on the 1911 census. Kenneth died in 1999, at the time of his death his name was given as Kenneth Peter Branton. He always said that his parents were Laura Elizabeth Brennan, aka Branton, and Paul Clifford. His mother's death cert says Laura Branton widow of John Branton, died 1965 aged 74 years, giving a birth year of about 1891. Kenneth had a replacement birth certificate with a solicitors letter saying ‘I hereby declare that I am the son of Elizabeth Brennan but I have always been known as Kenneth Branton'. In his youth ( c1935/6 )he lived with Paul Clifford at 11 Cheniston Gardens, London W8. Can anyone find his parents in 1911 or earlier? I am trying to sort this out for Kenneth's daughter.
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25 Dec 2010 22:51 |
I don't see a Brennan / Branton marriage - this is the nearest. Any good?
Name: Laura Brennen Spouse Surname: Branton, Edward Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1927 Registration district: Sculcoates Registration county (inferred): Yorkshire - East Riding Volume Number: 9d Page Number: 427
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25 Dec 2010 22:55 |
Have you eliminated this John - sorry I don't have a sub. to look at the entry.
HOUSEHOLD ELSTON JOHN M 1879 32 Sculcoates Yorkshire East Riding (with York)
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FannyByGaslight
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25 Dec 2010 22:55 |
Any idea where his mother was born?
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25 Dec 2010 22:59 |
WELLSTED, Jane Head Widow F 75 1836 Private Means Nottingham Ison Green ELSTON, John Nephew Married M 32 1879 Furniture Salesman Yorkshire Hull GARRATT, Alice Servant Single F 28 1883 General Servant Domestic Lancashire Barrow Registration District: Sculcoates Sub District: West Sculcoates Enumeration District: 2 Parish: Sculcoates Address: 45 Park Road Hull County: Yorkshire (East riding)
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Katie
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25 Dec 2010 23:03 |
rootgatherer - any marriage in this muddle is a possibility. I couldn't find a Brennan/Branton marriage! I think I have discounted that John Elston as the occupation was wrong. To be a manager in 1912 he must have been something similar in 1911.
FBG his mother was believed to be of Irish descent but not necessarily born in Ireland. I know this isn't very useful. Katie
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25 Dec 2010 23:03 |
This is the only Paul Clifford I can find on 1901
CLIFFORD, Paul G Son Single M 8 1893 Weekley Northamptonshire
Registration District: Kingsbridge Sub County: Devonshire
I cant see him on1911 and no death for him
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Katie
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25 Dec 2010 23:05 |
FBG and Rootgatherer that 1911 entry looks very promising. I thought I had looked at them all! Katie
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25 Dec 2010 23:08 |
Do you know of any siblings for his mother?
I will have to go to bed,too tired to think straight,will check back tomorrow.
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25 Dec 2010 23:17 |
1901??
Name: John S Elston Age: 22 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Scarborough Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Scarborough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:Draper's Assistant
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Scarborough Sub-registration district: Scarborough ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 253 Household Members: Name Age Frank Thompson 43 Hannah M Thompson 47 Stuart K Thompson 22 Arthur Fletcher 25 Rabara W Rowntree 16 Edward L Paine 22 William Stubb 21 Charles G Samson 23 George F Grewall 24 Henry G Dutton 24 John S Elston 22 John F Chapman 20
1891
Name: John Stainforth Elston Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation: Scholar Gender: Male Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Skircoat Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls Town: Halifax County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Halifax Sub-registration district: Halifax ED, institution, or vessel: The Crossley and Porter Orphan Home and School
1881
Name: John S. Elston Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation: Son Mother's name: Lauretta Elston Gender: Male Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Sculcoates County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: 9 Walmsley St Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Sculcoates Sub-registration district: West Sculcoates ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Lauretta Elston 33 Widow, Music Teacher, b. Hull Walter F. Elston 5 John S. Elston 2 George M. Elston Emma J. Frost 19 Lucy Hope 31
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Katie
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25 Dec 2010 23:18 |
FBG - no, nothing more is known about her. She must have been in the Hull/Grimsby area by May 1911 though. Katie
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25 Dec 2010 23:19 |
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Sep 1873 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Elotson Walter Kingston Hull 9d 292 Elston Walter Kingston Hull 9d 292 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< MARSHALL Eleanor Hull 9d 292 STAINFORTH Lauretta Hull 9d 292 <<<<<<<<<<<< TAFFENDER John Hull 9d 292
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FannyByGaslight
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25 Dec 2010 23:21 |
Not necessarily,she may have got pregnant anywhere,including Ireland.. Only had to be in Grimsby to give birth.. Night
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rootgatherer
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25 Dec 2010 23:27 |
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Name: Laura Stainforth Age: 15 Estimated birth year: abt 1846 Relation: Daughter Father's name: John Stainforth Mother's name: Elizabeth Stainforth Gender: Female Where born: Kingston Upon Hull Civil Parish: Hull Holy Trinity County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Hull Sub-registration district: Myton ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 22 Household Members: Name Age John Stainforth 52 Elizabeth Stainforth 52 Jane Stainforth 25 Thomas Pashby Stainforth 23 Emily Stainforth 18 Laura Stainforth 15 Alice Gertrude Stainforth 8 John Hailstone 19
Deaths Mar 1881 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ELSTON Walter 40 Sculcoates 9d 96
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25 Dec 2010 23:27 |
Where did Kenneth and Laura live?
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Katie
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25 Dec 2010 23:29 |
Thanks for all your help so far. Am also off to bed now, will have another look tomorrow. Katie
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26 Dec 2010 08:36 |
Just as a check I have had a look for Jane Wellsted (Aunt of John in 1911). This confirms that the John on the earlier census is indeed the same man as the one on the 1911 census with his Aunt.
Here she is in 1881
Name: Martha Jane Wellsted Age: 44 Estimated birth year: abt 1837 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Wm.Jas. Wellsted Gender: Female Where born: Nottinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Sculcoates County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: 23 Margaret St Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Sculcoates Sub-registration district: West Sculcoates ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Wm.Jas. Wellsted 61 Photographic Artist. Martha Jane Wellsted 44 Mary Nubrown 19
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Sep 1875 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stainforth Martha Jane Sculcoates 9d 255 WELLSTED William James Sculcoates 9d 255
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26 Dec 2010 08:48 |
Name: John Stainforth Elston Year of Registration: 1879 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Sculcoates County: Yorkshire - East Riding Volume: 9d Page: 195
On the 1911 John states that he is married, I wonder if this is his marriage?
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Sep 1904 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Creasser Harriet Sculcoates 9d 288 Elston John Sculcoates 9d 288 Martin Herbert Whiston Sculcoates 9d 288 Stephenson Minnie Sculcoates 9d 288
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Katie
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26 Dec 2010 09:04 |
I am not sure where Laura/Norah and Kenneth lived, other than the southern half of England, I will have to ask his daughter. Laura died in Brighton. Kenneth married in Kent. Katie
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26 Dec 2010 09:29 |
RG, John Elsdon must have married Minnie Stephenson. Had a quick look for her in 1911, no luck so far. Katie
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