Find Ancestors

Top tip - using the Genes Reunited community

Welcome to the Genes Reunited community boards!

  • The Genes Reunited community is made up of millions of people with similar interests. Discover your family history and make life long friends along the way.
  • You will find a close knit but welcoming group of keen genealogists all prepared to offer advice and help to new members.
  • And it's not all serious business. The boards are often a place to relax and be entertained by all kinds of subjects.
  • The Genes community will go out of their way to help you, so don’t be shy about asking for help.

Quick Search

Single word search

Icons

  • New posts
  • No new posts
  • Thread closed
  • Stickied, new posts
  • Stickied, no new posts

Grimsby Mystery Brennan/Branton/Collier et al

Page 0 + 1 of 2

  1. 1
  2. 2
  3. »
ProfilePosted byOptionsPost Date

Katie

Katie Report 25 Dec 2010 22:31

Can anyone help with this?
Kenneth Brennan was born, illegitimately, on 15 Feb 1912 in Grimsby, his parents were given as Norah Brennan and John Elston, house furnishers manager, both living at 12 Haven Terrace, Grimsby. They were not there on the 1911 census. Kenneth died in 1999, at the time of his death his name was given as Kenneth Peter Branton.
He always said that his parents were Laura Elizabeth Brennan, aka Branton, and Paul Clifford. His mother's death cert says Laura Branton widow of John Branton, died 1965 aged 74 years, giving a birth year of about 1891.
Kenneth had a replacement birth certificate with a solicitors letter saying ‘I hereby declare that I am the son of Elizabeth Brennan but I have always been known as Kenneth Branton'. In his youth ( c1935/6 )he lived with Paul Clifford at 11 Cheniston Gardens, London W8.
Can anyone find his parents in 1911 or earlier? I am trying to sort this out for Kenneth's daughter.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 25 Dec 2010 22:51

I don't see a Brennan / Branton marriage - this is the nearest. Any good?

Name: Laura Brennen
Spouse Surname: Branton, Edward
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1927
Registration district: Sculcoates
Registration county (inferred): Yorkshire - East Riding
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 427

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 25 Dec 2010 22:55

Have you eliminated this John - sorry I don't have a sub. to look at the entry.

HOUSEHOLD ELSTON JOHN M 1879 32 Sculcoates Yorkshire East Riding (with York)

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 25 Dec 2010 22:55

Any idea where his mother was born?

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 25 Dec 2010 22:59

WELLSTED, Jane Head Widow F 75 1836 Private Means Nottingham Ison Green
ELSTON, John Nephew Married M 32 1879 Furniture Salesman Yorkshire Hull
GARRATT, Alice Servant Single F 28 1883 General Servant Domestic Lancashire Barrow

Registration District:
Sculcoates Sub District:
West Sculcoates Enumeration District:
2 Parish:
Sculcoates

Address:
45 Park Road Hull County:
Yorkshire (East riding)

Katie

Katie Report 25 Dec 2010 23:03

rootgatherer - any marriage in this muddle is a possibility. I couldn't find a Brennan/Branton marriage!
I think I have discounted that John Elston as the occupation was wrong. To be a manager in 1912 he must have been something similar in 1911.

FBG his mother was believed to be of Irish descent but not necessarily born in Ireland. I know this isn't very useful.
Katie

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 25 Dec 2010 23:03

This is the only Paul Clifford I can find on 1901

CLIFFORD, Paul G Son Single M 8 1893
Weekley
Northamptonshire

Registration District:
Kingsbridge Sub County:
Devonshire

I cant see him on1911 and no death for him

Katie

Katie Report 25 Dec 2010 23:05

FBG and Rootgatherer that 1911 entry looks very promising. I thought I had looked at them all!
Katie

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 25 Dec 2010 23:08

Do you know of any siblings for his mother?

I will have to go to bed,too tired to think straight,will check back tomorrow.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 25 Dec 2010 23:17

1901??

Name: John S Elston
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Scarborough
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Scarborough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:Draper's Assistant

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Scarborough
Sub-registration district: Scarborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 253
Household Members: Name Age
Frank Thompson 43
Hannah M Thompson 47
Stuart K Thompson 22
Arthur Fletcher 25
Rabara W Rowntree 16
Edward L Paine 22
William Stubb 21
Charles G Samson 23
George F Grewall 24
Henry G Dutton 24
John S Elston 22
John F Chapman 20



1891

Name: John Stainforth Elston
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Scholar
Gender: Male
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Skircoat
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls
Town: Halifax
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Halifax
Sub-registration district: Halifax
ED, institution, or vessel: The Crossley and Porter Orphan Home and School


1881

Name: John S. Elston
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Lauretta Elston
Gender: Male
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Sculcoates
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: 9 Walmsley St
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Sculcoates
Sub-registration district: West Sculcoates
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Lauretta Elston 33 Widow, Music Teacher, b. Hull
Walter F. Elston 5
John S. Elston 2
George M. Elston
Emma J. Frost 19
Lucy Hope 31

Katie

Katie Report 25 Dec 2010 23:18

FBG - no, nothing more is known about her. She must have been in the Hull/Grimsby area by May 1911 though.
Katie

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 25 Dec 2010 23:19

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriages Sep 1873 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Elotson Walter Kingston Hull 9d 292
Elston Walter Kingston Hull 9d 292 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
MARSHALL Eleanor Hull 9d 292
STAINFORTH Lauretta Hull 9d 292 <<<<<<<<<<<<
TAFFENDER John Hull 9d 292

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 25 Dec 2010 23:21

Not necessarily,she may have got pregnant anywhere,including Ireland..
Only had to be in Grimsby to give birth..
Night

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 25 Dec 2010 23:27

1861

Name: Laura Stainforth
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John Stainforth
Mother's name: Elizabeth Stainforth
Gender: Female
Where born: Kingston Upon Hull

Civil Parish: Hull Holy Trinity
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Hull
Sub-registration district: Myton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
John Stainforth 52
Elizabeth Stainforth 52
Jane Stainforth 25
Thomas Pashby Stainforth 23
Emily Stainforth 18
Laura Stainforth 15
Alice Gertrude Stainforth 8
John Hailstone 19



Deaths Mar 1881 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ELSTON Walter 40 Sculcoates 9d 96

Click ADD REPLY button - not this link!

Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 25 Dec 2010 23:27

Where did Kenneth and Laura live?

Rose

Katie

Katie Report 25 Dec 2010 23:29

Thanks for all your help so far. Am also off to bed now, will have another look tomorrow.
Katie

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 26 Dec 2010 08:36

Just as a check I have had a look for Jane Wellsted (Aunt of John in 1911).
This confirms that the John on the earlier census is indeed the same man as the one on the 1911 census with his Aunt.

Here she is in 1881

Name: Martha Jane Wellsted
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Wm.Jas. Wellsted
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Sculcoates
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: 23 Margaret St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Sculcoates
Sub-registration district: West Sculcoates
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Wm.Jas. Wellsted 61 Photographic Artist.
Martha Jane Wellsted 44
Mary Nubrown 19



Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriages Sep 1875 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Stainforth Martha Jane Sculcoates 9d 255
WELLSTED William James Sculcoates 9d 255

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 26 Dec 2010 08:48

Name: John Stainforth Elston
Year of Registration: 1879
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Sculcoates
County: Yorkshire - East Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 195


On the 1911 John states that he is married, I wonder if this is his marriage?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriages Sep 1904 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Creasser Harriet Sculcoates 9d 288
Elston John Sculcoates 9d 288
Martin Herbert Whiston Sculcoates 9d 288
Stephenson Minnie Sculcoates 9d 288


Katie

Katie Report 26 Dec 2010 09:04

I am not sure where Laura/Norah and Kenneth lived, other than the southern half of England, I will have to ask his daughter. Laura died in Brighton. Kenneth married in Kent.
Katie

Katie

Katie Report 26 Dec 2010 09:29

RG, John Elsdon must have married Minnie Stephenson. Had a quick look for her in 1911, no luck so far.
Katie