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9 Dec 2010 14:53 |
Possible death?
Deaths Sep 1928 Collins Maria M 80 Marylebone 1a 515
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9 Dec 2010 14:59 |
1901:
COLLINS, George W Head Married M 47 1854 Professor Of Music ( Retired ) Paddington London COLLINS, Marie Wife Married F 47 1854 Islington London COLLINS, Adrian Son Single M 20 1881 Paddington London COLLINS, Elsie Daughter Single F 19 1882 Paddington London BUSH, Ada Servant Single F 32 1869 Cook Domestic Camden Town London BLORE, Rose Servant Single F 21 1880 House Maid Domestic Polestead Suffolk
RG number: RG13 Piece: 63 Folio: 20 Page: 31 Registration District: Fulham Sub District: North-East Fulham Enumeration District: 22 Ecclesiastical Parish: St Andrew Civil Parish: Fulham Municipal Borough: Address: 12, Charleville Mansions, Fulham County: London
Possible death for George -
Deaths Jun 1907 Collins George Walter 54 Marylebone 1a 350
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9 Dec 2010 15:01 |
1891:
COLLING, George W Head Married M 37 1854 Musician Paddington London COLLING, Marie Wife Married F 38 1853 Bayswater London COLLING, Adrian Son M 10 1881 Scholar Bayswater London COLLING, Elsie Daughter F 9 1882 Scholar Bayswater London CLARK, Emma Servant Single F 19 1872 Domestic Servant Shepherds Bush London
RG number: RG12 Piece: 36 Folio: 142 Page: 10 Registration District: Fulham Sub District: St Paul Hammersmith Enumeration District: 5 Ecclesiastical Parish: St Paul Civil Parish: Hammersmith Municipal Borough: Address: 59, Bridge Avenue, Hammersmith, St Pauls County: London
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9 Dec 2010 15:02 |
1881:
COLLINS, John Head Married M 62 1819 Income From House Property St George Hanover SQ Middlesex COLLINS, Elizth Wife Married F 54 1827 Paddington Middlesex COLLINS, George W Son Married M 28 1853 Violinist Paddington Middlesex COLLINS, Maria M Daughter In Law Married F 28 1853 Paddington Middlesex COLLINS, Adrian J F Grand Son Single M 0 1881 Paddington Middlesex MOORE, Ellen Servant Single F 23 1858 Dom Servt Kensington Middlesex TIMMS, Eliza Servant Single F 19 1862 Paddington Middlesex
RG number: RG11 Piece: 14 Folio: 12 Page: 17 Registration District: Kensington Sub District: St Mary Paddington Enumeration District: Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish: Paddington Municipal Borough: Address: 3, Newton Road, Paddington County:
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9 Dec 2010 15:06 |
Births Sep 1880 COLLINS Adrian John F Kensington 1a 48
Marriages Mar 1931 Collins Adrian J F Kirkpatrick Holborn 1b 696 Kirkpatrick Ida Collins Holborn 1b 696
Births Dec 1881 Collins Elsie Kensington 1a 9
1911:
COLLINS, Malibran Boarder Widow F 54 1857 Private Means London Islington COLLINS, Adrian Boarder Single M 30 1881 Tutor And Assistant London Bayswater
RG number: RG14 Piece: 1174 Reference: RG14PN1174 RD12 SD1 ED5 SN92 Registration District: St Giles Sub District: St Giles and Bloomsbury Enumeration District: 5 Parish: St Giles in the Fields and St George Bloomsbury Address: Ivarthor Hotel Bloomsbury ST County: London
Note - says she'd had 2 children - none had died.
1911:
COLLINS, Elsie Boarder Single F 30 1881 Private Means London Bayswater
RG number: RG14 Piece: 4771 Reference: RG14PN4771 RG78PN205 RD70 SD1 ED1 SN8 Registration District: Battle Sub District: Bexhill Enumeration District: 1 Parish: Bexhill Address: Granville Hotel Sea Road Bexhill
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9 Dec 2010 15:13 |
Looks like this is who Maria jnr was named after
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Malibran
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9 Dec 2010 15:18 |
Entry from the Times - Mon Sep 17th 1928
COLLINS - On Sep 15th 1928 in London, Marie Maliban widow of George Walter Collins. Cremation at Golders Green today (Monday) 3:30.
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9 Dec 2010 15:24 |
Entry from the Probate Calendar:
Colllins, Marie Malibran of 1 Rodney Court Maida Vale Middlesex widow died 15th Sep 1928 at 18 Dorset Square Marylebone Middlesex. Probate London 26 Oct to Adrian John France Collins esquire and Elsie Trechman (wife of Peter Trechman.) Effects £5172 1s 6d.
Marriages Mar 1920 Collins Elsie Trechman St. Martin 1a 1069 Trechman Peter A Collins St. Martin 1a 1069
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9 Dec 2010 15:35 |
And probate entry for George:
Collins, George Walter of 34 St Johns Wood Road, Middlesex died 1st June 1907 Probate London 24th June to John Thomas France Collins solicitor and Frederick Hale Collins gentleman. Effects £39616 14s. Resworn £40288 4s.
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9 Dec 2010 15:43 |
Finally found Mr Montgomery in 1881:
MONTGOMERY, W H Lodger Head Married M 61 1820 Proffesor Of Music London, London Middlesex MELL, Margaret Lodger Single F 31 1850 Dressmaker Pimlico Middlesex STUART, Mary Lodger Single F 40 1841 Dressmaker Edinboro Edinburgh Scotland
RG number: RG11 Piece: 143 Folio: 84 Page: 10 Registration District: Marylebone Sub District: Rectory Enumeration District: Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish: St Marylebone Municipal Borough: Address: 189, Oxford St, St Marylebone County: Middlesex
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9 Dec 2010 15:55 |
And 1851 - hiding away!
MONGOMRY, William Head Married M 38 1813 Professor Of Music Surrey MONGOMRY, Maria Wife Married F 28 1823 Aston Kent MONGOMRY, Maria M Daughter F 3 1848 At Home Minster Middlesex FOARD, Harriat A Niece Unmarried F 15 1836 Surrey Kent Brigham
RG number: HO107 Piece: 1499 Folio: 5 Page: 2 Registration District: Islington Sub District: Islington West Enumeration District: 1 Ecclesiastical Parish: Saint Mary Civil Parish: Islington Municipal Borough: Finsbury Address: 7, Clarks Place, Islington, Finsbury County: Middlesex
The image is a bit dark over the places of birth - but I think someone has just guessed at them - but looks like it should be Brighton for Maria and Harriet.
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9 Dec 2010 16:02 |
1841:
MONTGOMERY, W M 25 1816 Professor of Music
RG number: HO107 Piece: 460 Book/Folio: 9/16 Page: 24 Registration District: Gravesend & Milton Sub District: Gravesend & Milton Enumeration District: Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish: Milton Municipal Borough: Gravesend Address: Windmill Street, Milton, Gravesend County: Kent
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9 Dec 2010 16:05 |
Judging by the age of William Henry on his marriage certificate and father's details - this might be his baptism:
WILLIAM HENRY MONTGOMERY Pedigree Male Event(s): Birth: 24 JAN 1810 Christening: 04 MAR 1810 St George The Martyr, Southwark, London, England Death: Burial: Parents: Father: CHARLES MONTGOMERY Family Mother: MARIA Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date. Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C022441 1800 - 1805 0307689 Film 0472795 Film C022441 1807 - 1813 0307690 Film NONE C022441 1814 - 1817 0307691 Film NONE Sheet: 00
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9 Dec 2010 16:15 |
Possible brother - taking after the father's profession?
MONTGOMERY, Charles M 30 1811 Comedian Not born in county
RG number: HO107 Piece: 665 Book/Folio: 4/12 Page: 19 Registration District: Islington Sub District: Islington, West Enumeration District: Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish: St Mary Islington Municipal Borough: Finsbury Address: Park Street, Upper, St Mary Islington, Finsbury County: Middlesex St George Bloomsbury Enumeration District: Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish: St George Bloomsbury Municipal Borough: Finsbury Address: Bloomsbury Square, St George Bloomsbury, Finsbury County: Middlesex
CHARLES EDWARD MONTGOMERY Pedigree Male Event(s): Birth: 17 JUN 1807 Christening: 15 JUL 1807 St George The Martyr, Southwark, London, England Death: Burial: Parents: Father: CHARLES MONTGOMERY Family Mother: MARIA JANE Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date. Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C022441 1800 - 1805 0307689 Film 0472795 Film C022441 1807 - 1813 0307690 Film NONE C022441 1814 - 1817 0307691 Film NONE Sheet: 00
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9 Dec 2010 16:21 |
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Charles Montgomery Name: Charles Montgomery Spouse Name: Maria Jane Barratt Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 18 Apr 1805 Parish: St George the Martyr County: Surrey Borough: Southwark
Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint George The Martyr, Register of marriages, P92/GEO, Item 177
With consent of Edward Barrett - father of bride (meaning she was probably underage.)
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Charles Edward Montgomery Name: Charles Edward Montgomery Spouse Name: Henrietta Susan Dykes Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 30 Oct 1830 Parish: St George the Martyr, Queen Square County: Middlesex Borough: Camden
Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint George The Martyr, Queen Square, Register of marriages, P82/GEO2, Item 018
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9 Dec 2010 16:31 |
Found William Henry's burial:
London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980 about William Henry Montgomery Name: William Henry Montgomery Record Type: Burial Estimated Death Date: abt 1886 Burial Date: 16 Sep 1886 Age: 75 Estimated birth year: abt 1811 Parish or Poor Law Union: Norwood Cemetery, Norwood Road, Lambeth Borough: Lambeth County: Surrey
Address was 62 Waterloo Road.
Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Norwood Cemetery, Norwood Road, Lambeth, Transcript of Burials, 1885-1886, DW/T Item, 0943, DW/T/0943.
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9 Dec 2010 16:52 |
Wow i don't know what to say apart from thank you to all of you guys, sorry that i were not around early but had to go to Hospital.
This is more than i know what to do with i can't thank you guys enough. I'm so happy that your kindness has helped me
THANK YOU THANK YOU :0) Xxx
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9 Dec 2010 17:09 |
You're welcome Joanne. Next step I suggest for you to look into the Izard info in Brighton.
I could see that the Montgomery / Collins stuff was a bit difficult due to peoples ages varying wildly on the censuses and name spelling etc!
How are you connected might I ask as I couldn't find any children for Maria Collins' daughter Elsie and nothing stood out for children of Adrian?
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9 Dec 2010 17:17 |
Just a little more on the Collin's children/spouses:
Name: Elsie Trechman Death Registration Month/Year: 1962 Age at death (estimated): 80 Registration district: Watford Inferred County: Hertfordshire Volume: 4b Page: 316
Name: Peter A Trechman Death Registration Month/Year: 1968 Age at death (estimated): 81 Registration district: Hillingdon Inferred County: Greater London Volume: 5c Page: 457
Name: Adrian J F Collins Death Registration Month/Year: 1966 Age at death (estimated): 86 Registration district: St Pancras Inferred County: London Volume: 5d Page: 1013
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9 Dec 2010 17:21 |
And just so you have the details for Peter Trechman:
1911
TRECHMANN, Henry Adolphus Head Married 31 years M 58 1853 Private Means Pianoforte Tuning Hartlepool Durham TRECHMANN, Jane Ann Wife Married 31 years F 53 1858 Marr Yorkshire THOMPSON, Florence Daughter Single F 32 1879 Stokesley Yorkshire TRECHMANN, Elsa Emma Daughter Married F 29 1882 Wrirzburg Germany Baveria (Her surname is actually Smith on the image) TRECHMANN, Peter Adolphus Son Single M 24 1887 Book Keeper London Marylbone TRECHMAN, Theodore Son Single M 22 1889 Junior Clerk London Highbury TRECHMAN, Albert Son Single M 17 1894 Apprentice Draughtsman West Hartlepool TRECHMAN, Janet Daughter Single F 14 1897 School West Hartlepool TRECHMAN, Emma Daughter F 9 1902 School West Hartlepool SMITH, Andrew Harry Grandson M 7 1904 School West Hartlepool
RG number: RG14 Piece: 29616 Reference: RG14PN29616 RG78PN1718A RD545 SD1 ED16 SN176 Registration District: Hartlepool Sub District: Hartlepool Enumeration District: 16 Parish: West Hartlepool Address: 26 Clifton Avenue West Hartlepool County: Durham
The parents had 9 children - 0 had died.
Interesting the musical connection with the families.
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