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nooooo my Fred was married before he went to Canada see page 2 of this thread details posted by Margaret on 24th Nov

Yes Trevor. But the Frederick in Canada is the son of Henry Bray and Martha Turner.

N o sorry look at 1891 census in this thread Thomas head wife Sarah Frederick aged 8 born Pimlico

But that is the son of Henry Bray and Martha Turner and not Thomas and Sarah.

Hi Margarett,
Yes this is my family Frederick married before going to Canada but Idon't know if the children were born in the u.k. or Canada as I said the only info. I have is written on a piece of paper left by my late mother.

Sarah's remarriage:
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Sarah Bray
Name: Sarah Bray
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Spouse Name: Thomas Parrott
Spouse Age: 44
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 18 Oct 1890
Parish: Holy Trinity, Finchley Road
County: London
Borough: Barnet
Father Name: John Turner
Spouse Father Name: George Parrott

Original says she's a widow, her father a blacksmith, her address Edmonton.

I think you have all of this, TREVOR, I'm just trying to get it straight in my head. Evidently the marriage in Ontario was not your Frederick.

Back to Square One.
I believe this is your Frederick?
1891 census
8 Orpingley Rd., St. Mary, Islington, London
Thomas Bray, head, 45, tailor, born Not Known
Sarah, wife, 46, born Gloucestershire, Gloucester
Bertha, dau, 14, tailoress apprentice, born London, Kentish Town
Willie, son, 12, grocer's errand boy, born Middlesex, Finchley
Alice, dau, 10, born "
***Frederick, son, 8, born London, Pimlico

So in 1901 his mother has remarried and he's a stepson.
1901 census
8 Orpingley Rd., islington
Thomas Parratt, head, 54
Sarah, wife, 54
William Bray, stepson, 22
Alice Maud Bray, stepdau, 21
Frederick Bray, stepson, 19
Louisa Turner, niece, 17
All born London except Thomas born Brighton.

I don't know when the children were born that was passed to me by my long deceased parents,I believe the details of them arriving in Canada are the one posted on this thread 24Nov aboard The Empress of Ireland.The childrens names were Molly and Louise

I know, Astra, but this thread has confused me right from the start!
It's just too much of a coincidence That there's a Frederick & Louisa Bray who were born in England and living in Hamilton/Wentworth, Ontario.

But surely the Frederick we are looking for is the son of Thomas and Sarah?

This marriage in 1908?

Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1801-1926
about Louisa Warwick
Name: Louisa Warwick
Birth Place: Hampton Hill Middlesex Eng
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Father Name: Chas Warwick
Mother Name: Susan Martin
Spouse Name: Fred'k Henry Bray
Spouse's Age: 26
Spouse Birth Place: London England
Spouse Father Name: Fred'k Henry Bray
Spouse Mother Name: Martha Turner Bray
Marriage Date: 8 Jun 1908
Marriage Location: Wentworth
Marriage County: Wentworth
Archives of Ontario Microfilm: MS932_138

A tree on Ancestry has Frederick Bray born Jan. 1883, England, parents Frederick Henry Bray & Martha Turner.
He married Louisa Warwick, had 2 children, Margaret (1911-1968)) and Irene Eleanor (1918-1975).
It says Frederick died Jan. 1967, Hamilton, Ontario.

What evidence do you have that he married a Louise and had two children and then went to Canada.

STILL TRYING TO FIND FRED AND LOUSE IN CANADA ANY IDEAS AND IF THEY DID HAVE TWO CHILDREN

Thank you i would have looked a bit of an idiot trying to order one.

I must thank all of you for the help i have received since joining this site.

There are no birth certificates before 1837.

thank you for trying, also could you tell me if i buy a 1808 birth cert. from GRO what information will i get on it

The 1916 Canadian census only covers Manitoba, Alberta and Saskachewan and they are not there I'm afraid.

Does anybody have access to the 1916 Canadian census looking for Frederick & Louise Bray arrived in Canada 01-03-1913 they were heading for Hamilton Ontario could be children Molly & Louise.

I am still trying to find this one

Does anybody have access to the 1916 Canadian census looking for Frederick & Louise Bray arrived in Canada 01-03-1913 they were heading for Hamilton Ontario could be children Molly & Louise.

I am still trying to find this one