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Just looked at my notes.

Ah yes reason for no marriage for William...He was a patient at the "Middlesex Lunatic Asylum", Uxbridge in 1881.

Yes Potty...lol....at last getting somewhere.

I always believed I had it right with him being John Adolphus ....I think this pretty much confirms it.

His father William married a Mary....and that John had 2 brothers I knew about.
William born c1820, Frederick born c1823.

William died c1893 and Frederick c1896.

Fred married a Cecelia Lumsden. Have no marriage for William as yet.
I already had this info....which i can now put back in my tree knowing i was right about who John Tuck was.

Fred and his wife had 6 children. 4 boys,2 girls.

Looks like you have cracked it , Paul. Now you need to find who William married!

OK...Update...incase anyone interested.

Emma's parents marriage cert has arrived.

Parents.
John Tuck.........Seaman : Father : William Tuck : Occpt: : Piano Forte Maker
Caroline McCarthy...........: Father : John Cook : Occpt : Labourer.

This points to John Tuck being the John Adolphus Tuck born in Paddington dispite the cert not showing John with a middle name.

The fact the census say he was born In Paddington around 1822 and that the daptism for John Adolphus Tuck states he daptised in Paddington in 1822 and that his father was William Tuck a Piano Forte Maker.

This is good enough for me to now say my John Tuck & John Adolphus Tuck, are one and the same person.

I'll think I'll leave it at that....nad let you lot get on with other things.
i have to get ready to go out. Other halfs mums 80th BDay.

I dont feel i am any nearer knowing whats what....

Thanks for your input guys & gals......no out come...but you dont win them all.

Thanks Peeps
Regards
Paul

we cant say 100% that the Emma in 1871 with parents John and Caroline is your Emma, as unfortunately we can't 100% confirm from her marriage cert, however from their locations in census, I would say it is likely they are. No other Emma Tuck with father John seems to fit.

Remember also that not ALL baptisms are online, so if John Tuck was born in c1822 in Paddington. 1. his baptism might not be online 2. he might not of been baptised at all 3. although he was supposedly born in Paddington, it doesnt necessarily mean he was baptised there.

You need his marriage cert to Caroline, to confirm his fathers name.

However I have another question, if you dont yet have this marriage cert, how did you find out Caroline McCarthy was formerly Cook? As I would imagine that would only be on her marriage certificate.

Paul, just because no other John Tucks b1822 Paddington, can be found it doesn't mean there weren't any. Not everyone was baptised and not all records can be searched.

Paul, if you don't have John and Caroline's marriage cert, how do you know that his father was William?

The John is just shown as John, no middle name, in the GRO index and on familysearch, so I don't think Adolphus will be mentioned on the marriage cert.

But ...is the 1871 census my Emma family?..as it says her father was born in Paddington...yet there are no other John Tucks born in Paddington around 1822.....other than John A...who fits perfectly.....

If so....then the 1871 census isnt my Emma.....if so..then where is she in 1871?

I think the marriage cert would be a good next step.

It is unlikely he has any middle name, as it would show on the gro reference. Hence why I dont think John Tuck is the same person as John Adolphus Tuck.

It will then also tell u his fathers name and occupation and also Carolines father and occupation, plus any witnesses that might be related to give further clues.

I could buy John & Carolines marriage cert...if would mean spending money i dont have...but its a better choose than buying the otehr birth cert.

With luck it might have Johns middle name...if he has one...
But if it says Caroline McCarthy, formerly Cook..then i have the right birth cert for Emma.
If it says middle name Adolphus..Ill know John parents...sort of.

Christina served in one of the female war posts...I have a couple pics of Christina send by same person

Christina is in some kind of uniform...but i do not know what cservie it is.

I have a photo of Emma sent me via one of Christina's grandchildren.

Christina was my grandfathers sister and Emma daughter..she died in child birth i believe aged 25

Emma died in 1936

Name: Emma Wilson
Death Registration Month/Year: 1936
Age at death (estimated): 72
Registration district: Portsmouth
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 595

John & Caroline had 4 children before Emma


Caroline born in Portsea 21/01/1858
Births Mar 1858
Tuck Caroline Portsea 2b 401

Henry
Births Jun 1859
Tuck Henry George Shoreditch 1c 183

Elizabeth
Births Sep 1860
TUCK Elizabeth Emmeline Shoreditch 1c 172

Charlotte
Births Jun 1862
TUCK Charlotte Eliza Shoreditch 1c 20_

Then Emma
Births Jun 1864
TUCK Emma Shoreditch 1c 184
TUCK Emma Shoreditch 1c 178

But WHICH!!!!!

William
Births Mar 1870
TUCK William Portsea 2b 427

although there is discrepancy with what she gives as her place of birth. I do think it is likely her parents are John Tuck (not John Adolphus Tuck) and Caroline McCarthy formerly Cook (I think you said) which would mean Caroline was married prior to marrying John Tuck.

do you know when Emma died? Although I expect is was too early to give clues any clues to her date of birth.

Her father IS a John Tuck....the census says..mother Caroline.

Caroline McCarthy married a John Tuck in 1856 in Portsea...

I cant find any gro ref for a Emma Tuck born in Portsmouth in 1864.

BUT there are 2 in Shoreditch where some of ther siblings were born.

AND one of those certs has parents John Tuck & Caroline.....The cert i have.

Hence why I cant 100% i have the right parents..or the right cert..or the right Emma!!

None of the info available...corrilates with any other part of the puzzle...so i cant see a final correct answer

Leslie is/was my grandfather.

Her other 2, Leslie & Christina were in homes in 1911.