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Trying to find record of Albert Keiley before 1908

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Freda

Freda Report 13 Nov 2010 01:03

Yes this is his date of death - 22/3/1942
Jax your household transcription is quite strange for 1911 because they had son Albert 1909 and next child was Alice 1911 but Alice wasn't widowed until 1942 and, other than time at sea I suppose, they lived together until Albert died.
Could it be some sort of fiddle (they didn't have benefits to fiddle at that time did they?) Having said that Albert and Alice were common names and none were born in Wigan

jax

jax Report 13 Nov 2010 01:04

Odd that they lived next door though. On the origanal says married but has been crossed out and widow added

jax

jax

jax Report 13 Nov 2010 01:08

This could be the other Alice

Marriages Dec 1907 (>99%)
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BURMAN Alice Jane Warrington 8c 247
HUGHES Alfred Edward Warrington 8c 247
KEELEY Edward Warrington 8c 247
RIGBY Edith Warrington 8c 247

No forget that I cannot find a death....but if they died at seait would'nt be registered

Vanessa

Vanessa Report 13 Nov 2010 01:10

It is possible son Albert was staying with gr.parents or just good friends on the night of the census but mom Alice also listed him in 'her' household.
That's if this is our Alice!

Vanessa

Vanessa Report 13 Nov 2010 01:11

No death registered for Edward Keeley 1909-1911 on freebmd

Vanessa

Vanessa Report 13 Nov 2010 01:17

Looks like moms siblings - are you in contact with any other family that may have info?

Births Jun 1914 (>99%)
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KEILEY Fred Bell Toxteth P. 8b 383

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Births Dec 1915 (>99%)
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KEILEY Edith Bell Toxteth P. 8b 326

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Births Dec 1917 (>99%)
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Keiley Maud F Bell Toxteth P 8b 276

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Births Mar 1920 (>99%)
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Keiley Rupert W Bell Toxteth P 8b 483

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Births Mar 1922 (>99%)
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Keiley Winifred Bell Toxteth P. 8b 405

jax

jax Report 13 Nov 2010 01:17

Thats why I mentioned the dying at sea OH comes from Liverpool and his gt grandfather died at sea before the 1911 and there is no record of his death anywhere

jax

Freda

Freda Report 13 Nov 2010 01:20

I may be able to find out addresses for when they first came to Liverpool but not until later today. I know that from being a seaman he went on to become Head Dock Gateman and the Keiley family actually lived on Huskisson Dock but not sure when this was from and to. I know he did not end his life there so possible quite early on in their marriage. This is also in the same sort of area as Upper Pitt Street.
Thank you all for your help - you've opened up other avenues for me and I'll be back tomorrow with as much further inf as I can muster.

Freda

Freda Report 13 Nov 2010 01:23

Yes Vanessa these are mums siblings but their relatives are asking me for info! We have all come to grief with Albert, our grandfather

jax

jax Report 13 Nov 2010 01:27

Do you have a name for his father from the marriage cert? Forget that his name was James

jax

jax

jax Report 13 Nov 2010 01:48

Those Keeley's must be them as there is no Alice Keeley born at that time but as you said this one was born 1911 and census says less than 1 year

Births Mar 1911 (>99%)
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Keiley Alice Liverpool 8b 119

Freda

Freda Report 13 Nov 2010 17:34

I've spoken to mum and Albert Keiley brought his family to Liverpool around this time. They went in to lodgings in Upper Pitt Street! I have gold membership with Genes Reunited and have been fighting against upgrading to Platinum just to see the 1911 census however curiosity has won and I am either going to upgrade or buy credits on another site - 1911 census seems to hold only info on this little family and hope it can give me more clues to Alberts past.
Thanks to everyone who has taken the time to help me on this.

jax

jax Report 13 Nov 2010 17:43

Platinum will give you the 1911 but you will not see the origanals on Genes as You have been given the census what else are you expecting to see?

jax

Freda

Freda Report 13 Nov 2010 17:49

Don't really know - was hoping for other clues I suppose. someone last night suggested need to look at family relationships that were not visible on freesearch. I am aware that I am clutching at straws and was hoping if I could view the original entry all would become clear! Back to the drawing board then.
Also wasn't aware that don't see original entry on Genes

jax

jax Report 13 Nov 2010 17:52

I mentioned what was on it not much to see really

jax

Freda

Freda Report 13 Nov 2010 18:05

Thanks Jax - you have just saved me £50+

jax

jax Report 13 Nov 2010 18:13

What was James's occupation on Alberts marriage cert?

jax

Freda

Freda Report 13 Nov 2010 18:59

James shown as Mechanic

Vanessa

Vanessa Report 14 Nov 2010 00:32

Was James still alive at the time of the wedding or is he down as deceased?

Freda

Freda Report 15 Nov 2010 00:01

doesn't say deceased on marriage cert although from what I can gather father wasn't around for most of Albert's life so could have been deceased.
I have found 2 references to Albert Keiley crewing ships in 1903 & 1904. One of these refers to place of birth as Gloucester circa 1885 - I had heard that Gloucester figured somewhere in Alberts past - a bit more info but still no further on.