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I'm trying to trace details of my Grandfather Albert Keiley. He was married to Alice Bell in 1908 aged 23. They were married in Oldham Lancs. He died in Liverpool aged 58 in 1942. His fathers name was James Keiley. These are the only records I can find - can't find any birth records or census entries. Apparently as a child he was placed in an orphanage - mother incapable of looking after him - so he did not talk about his past other than to say he was on an orphanage ship and that they were known as Klyre boys (no idea how to spell this) but can't find records of any such orphanage ships / boats. I'm wondering if the orphanage ship was really some form of juvenile reform ship. His daughter (my mum) is almost 90 so memory is fading but she seems to remember Gloucester being mentioned. Any help would be gratefully received as I really have hit a brick wall on this branch of the family

Just to confirm:
Marriages Mar 1908
xxx BELL Alice Oldham 8d 806
BELL Elizabeth Oldham 8d 806
BUCKLEY Albert Oldham 8d 806
Johnson Fred Oldham 8d 806
xxx Keiley Albert Oldham 8d 806

Could he have lived in Ireland? There is an Abert Keiley on the 1911 aged 2 is that thier son

jax

1911 census - household transcription
Person: KEILEY, Albert
Address: 96 Upr Pitt St L'pool

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A LEE, Joseph Head Married M 55 1856 Royal Mavel Pensioner Devon Plymouth VIEW
A LEE, Elizabeth Wife Married
53 years F 55 1856 Devon Plymouth VIEW
MARTIN, Alice Niece Single F 21 1890 Assist Wife In Household Duties Devon Plymouth VIEW
ALLEN, John Boarder Widower M 48 1863 Boatwain Mercantile Marine Cork Kinsale VIEW
SHEPPARD, George Boarder Single M 31 1880 Seaman A B Mercantile Marine Surrey London VIEW
KEILEY, Albert Visitor M 2 1909 Lancashire Oldham VIEW

Is this them in 1911, with different spelling?:
KEIGHLEY, Albert Head Married M 28 1883 Carter Cheshire Newton Hyde
KEIGHLEY, Alice Wife Married 2 years F 25 1886 Yorkshire Mossley
KEIGHLEY, Norman Son M (UNDER I MONTH) Cheshire Newton Hyde
RG number: RG14 Piece: 24398 Reference: RG14PN24398 RG78PN1399 RD468 SD6 ED2 SN78
Registration District: Ashton Under Lyne Sub District:
Newton Enumeration District: 2 Parish: Newton
Address:81 Victoria Street Newton Hyde County: Lancashire

Added: probably son of Jonas and Mary, so wrong one.

EDIT

Thank you all - I am quite new to this so trying to decipher some of your replies. Yes to Patricia Marriage details 8d 806 - I have this certificate.
Jax - They did have a son Albert born 1909 but don't know about an Irish connection.
They did live in Liverpool from about 1911 I think.
The marriage cert gives profession as seaman so entry for 1909 looks promising - where would i be able to check on this info?
Thanks Patricia but I don't think this is him as moved from Oldham to Liverpool and no son called Norman.
Thank you all so much for your help

Births Jun 1909
Keiley Albert Oldham 8d 639

It helps to give as much information as is relevant, as it saves wild guesses.
Thanks

Just sounds like it could be an Irish name, so the son is on the 1911 Albert is probably at sea so where is Alice?

jax

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1909

KEILEY Albert - Oldham Central Oldham (mmn BELL)

There is an Alice Keeley in Liverpool on the 1911 but my computer is not displaying the free search results for people living with this Alice. Does anyone else have access to check this record?

Finally!!!
DYKIN, Jno 1839 72 M Liverpool Lancashire
KEELEY, Albert 1909 2 M Liverpool Lancashire
KEELEY, Alice 1887 24 F Liverpool Lancashire
KEELEY, Alice 1910 1 F Liverpool Lancashire
PEDLAR, Eliza 1851 60 F Liverpool Lancashire
WALTERS, Mary 1839 72 F Liverpool Lancashire

Full entry would still be good for relationships

By my estimation Alberts year of birth should be 1884/85. Is it possible that his birth was just not registered? I've gone all around the houses looking for variations on Albert Keiley
ie Kiley, kieley, keilleyfor about 10 years either side and still no joy. I'm ok with details from 1908 onwards but can't go any further back without birth or census details prior to 1908.

Hi Vanessa I was typing while you were adding your reply sorry. Looks very promising - where / how can I look up these records please.

You can't put much store into the birthplaces in 1911.

Son Albert was born Oldham.
Looks like it was just easier to put them all down as Liverpool

www.findmypast.com. It is a pay per view or subscription site but you can do a certain amount using the free search facility.
As per my post you dont get full details, like the relationship to the head of the house, actual address.
If you're lucky somebody with a subscription may be able to post the full record for you.

Otherwise take a look - I searched for Alice Keiley (inluding variants) b 1884 +/- 5 years using the basic search. I saw the Alice Keeley in Liverpool so went to the advanced search and just entered County (Lancs), Registration district (Liverpool) then went to 'Others in household' and entered Alice Keeley

The one above??
1911 census - household transcription
Person: KEELEY, Alice
Address: 98 Upr Pitt St L'pool

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PEDLAR, Eliza Wife Married
33 years F 60 1851 Nail Married Woman Manchester Probably Hulme VIEW
DYKIN, Jno Boarder Widower M 72 1839 None London VIEW
WALTERS, Mary Boarder Widow F 72 1839 None Manchester VIEW
KEELEY, Alice Boarder Widow F 24 1887 Wigan VIEW
KEELEY, Albert Boarder M 2 1909 Wigan VIEW
KEELEY, Alice Boarder F 1 1910 Lpool VIEW

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.says she is a widow so does'nt look like her

Name: Alice Keiley
Death Registration Month/Year: 1955
Age at death (estimated): 71
Registration district: Liverpool North
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10d
Page: 212

makes her born 1884

Hi Jax

Just realised my 1911 & your 1911 are next door neighbours!! I thought the addy look familiar.

Need Freda to return and see if her grandfather passed away around this time.

I thought this was his death

Name: Albert Keiley
Death Registration Month/Year: 1942
Age at death (estimated): 58
Registration district: Liverpool North
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 511

Sorry yes, that was stated wasn't it - D'uh!

At least another one ruled out.