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Mark,

Agnes Jane,1870, daughter of Mary Pickthall, baptised 04.05.1842, Aldingham, resident Sunbrick, daughter of John Pickthall,1789 - 1874, Urswick, and Ann Ashburner. John was son of John Pickthall, 1766 - 1829, Urswick, and Mary Wiseman, 1762 - 1805. John was son of John Pickthall, 1728 - 1808, Newton and Urswick, and Ann Kilner, 1736 - 1798, John was son of Arthur Pickthall, 1682 - 1766, Billincoat, Newton, and Dorothy Wilson, 1690 - 1767, Arthur was son of Thomas Pickthall, 1648 - 1689.

If you need any more info on the Furness branch of the Pickthalls, please get in touch - there are over 2000 of the clan!!

Roger Handley [email protected]

I have found using a free search FMP the following entry

TENNANT John Picthall West Lancashire Lancashire 1978

i cannot however find the corresponding death using ancestry..

Thanks

Amendment my father died on Jan 26th 1976 my apologies the 10th wae the day I gave up smoking 100to 140 a day yes you did read it correctly !

Hello again researchers as I am at this moment in time going through a very difficult time I am unable to put all my efforts into my quest my reasons for my providing the information to you all is to help you with your searches .
I have noticed a comment that there is no record of my great grandfather marrying the reason for this would likely be that he never married my great Grandmother this I believe to be a fact !
I can also add what my father ( now deceased Jan 10th 1976 ) believed was that his grandfather originated from Stirling that may have been his Great Grandfather he always said we carried Scottish blood , this as I'm sure you will know Tennant is a Scottish clan who I believe Lord Glenconner is a member of .
I hope one day to go into this with vigore , please get intouch if I can help further .
One more thing I can rember is that I believe my Grandfather had I believe an Aunty / sister who was to do with Tennants shoes of Southport who lived & died in Birkdale .

That's who the "other" John Tennant married (the one that's on the 1911 with Samuel & Agnes - I'm trying to find out who he really is).

I dont have a Betty Tennant 1896 in my treee

Thanks Mark.

This looks like the marriage of Alan's grandparents:

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1917
Johnson Betty Tennant Ormskirk 8b 1065
Tennant John P Johnson Ormskirk 8b 1065

and the death of his grandmother:

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Betty Tennant
Birth Date: abt 1896
Date of Registration: Dec 1932
Age at Death: 36
Registration District: Ormskirk
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 900

Yes sure - have reread his message to see how he may be related if its through Picthall this was 2nd wife of my 2x great grandfather.

Mark - are you happy for us to help Alan on this thread seeing as there appears to be a connection?

Alan, if your grandfather was a master joiner then it was likely that he was the John Tennant born in Southport who appears not to be the natural son of Samuel Tennant (see my comments above) - that's if we are following the right family.

You have question marks for your father's mother's name - have you looked up his birth on a site such as FreeBMD? http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl - if he was born after 1911 then it will show his mother's maiden name.

Then find the marriage between his father and mother using the combination of surnames.

If your father is still alive then we shouldn't post details on here (this isn't a secure site so details of living people are a no-no).

That's the way to work back with accuracy and it's always necessary to order a few certificates along the way - we can explain how to do that when the correct records have been found.

Just to be clear i will send a PM to Alan

Thanks

pms from Alan (have explained about "Add Reply"):

"Hello Marie in answer to your question My Grandfather was indeed a master carpenter/joiner. As in those days it was I believe comon to name siblings after the names of their parents this may be the reason one of my Aunties was named Agnes!
My fathers name was Lawrence , his Mother ????? Picthall Tennant my real Grandmother died when my father was a boy of 11 a fact that troubled him for the rest of his life !
Thank you for getting in touch , as I'm new to this and that this is my first venture into my past so to speak information & advice would be most welcome & appreciated also if I can be of help to anyone out there please don't hesitate to ask , best regards Alan T."

"Very interesting , I know for a fact that my Grandfather had a brother / sister who were the owners of Tennant,s shoes of Southport .
Of further interest in talking to my mother on this subject they hailed from Burscough and are believed to be interred in the churchyard there ."

This is the baptism of Samuel's own son:

Liverpool, England, Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: John Jonathan Tennant
Birth Date: 17 Sep 1895
Baptism Date: 3 Nov 1895
Parish: Kensington, Christ Church
Father's Name: Samuel Tennant - Shoemaker
Mother's Name: Annie Tennant
Reference Number: 283 KEN/2/4

Address looks like 38 Cell? Street.


So who's the other John?

There's only one John with Samuel in 1901 and it's the one born in Liverpool:

TENNANT, Samuel Head Widower M 33 1868 Bootmaker Lancaster, Lancashire
TENNANT, Jane Daughter F 10 1891 Liverpool, Lancashire
TENNANT, Edward W Son M 9 1892 Liverpool, Lancashire
TENNANT, Samuel Son M 7 1894 Liverpool, Lancashire
TENNANT, John J Son M 5 1896 Liverpool, Lancashire
TENNANT, Florence Daughter F 2 1899 Southport, Lancashire
TENNANT, James Son M 0 (8 MOS) 1901 Southport, Lancashire
HOPPER, Matilda Visitor F 17 1884 Liverpool, Lancashire

Piece: 3540 Folio: 126 Page: 3
Registration District: Ormskirk
Civil Parish: Southport

Address: 135, Bispham Road, Southport County: Lancashire

Normally, I'd suggest that Alan start a new thread of his own but seeing as there seems to be a direct connection I hope Mark doesn't mind me adding to it....

It's just that I've noticed on the 1911 census posted on page 1 that there are TWO sons called John Tennant born a year apart:

TENNANT, John Son Single M 16 1895 House Joiner's Apprentice Lancs Southport
TENNANT, John Son Single M 15 1896 Engineer's Apprentice Lancs Lpool

I've checked the census image and there's no mis-transcription. I wondered if one of the John's might be Agnes' son from a previous relationship but on the image it's stated she'd given birth to 1 child, and 1 child had died.

Alan, is one of these John Tennant's the grandfather you refer to and, if so, which one?

Hello Alan, welcome to the community boards.

Given that it's a few years since there was any activity on this thread it's possible that Mark mightn't be checking back for replies - you could click on his name to send a direct message with a view to sharing information.

Hello all who are researching Picthall Tennant I am new to this game and fell over it quite by accident and after reading some of the posts decided to join the reasons being I know some of the names mentioned .
My grandfather was John Picthall Tennant my grandmother was ????? Picthall Tennant and is buried in St Stephens cemetery Banks .
My name is Alan Tennant if the information I have given here is of interest to anyone please get in touch , you may even know me ?

mark,

With the not so common surname a phone call may do the trick, they may be kind enough to do you a lookup circa 1870/71.

Annx

Thanks Ann,, Will take a look when i get the chance to go...