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That 1911 looks extremely promising Kucinta.

Thanks. This certainly looks promising.It might also explain the age of 19 on the marriage certificate. I have never used baptism records. Are they on Genes Reunited?

Mmm. I wonder

Alice M King
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Norwich, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Wandsworth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalene
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur C Smith 35
Ada F Smith 31
Ursula D C Smith 7
Eliza Stimpson 63
Alice M King 25

There are no Xs visible but the whole certificate looks as if it was written by the same official.

The name is Alfred King (definitely not Albert) and he was a bricklayer.

Sorry Alan, I had edited it back to Alfred from Albert (a slip on my part)just now, but you'd already seen the wrong version.

Astra, the 1901 entry for Alice M King does look quite convincing. Was her marital status given?

Wonder where Alfred and baby Maud had got to. It would be good to get a handle on a pob/dob for Alfred but it's proving elusive so far...

Adding to the marriage info Astra gave earlier - I think two brothers may have married two sisters:

Marriages Jun 1900 (>99%)
Acock Alice Maud Poplar 1c 859
Acock Clara Annie Poplar 1c 859
King Alfred Franklin Poplar 1c 859
King Henry Ernest Poplar 1c 859

She is noted as single in the 1901 but I can't locate a definite birth for her in Norwich.

I suppose she may have fibbed to get the job, but someone must have been caring for Maud meanwhile.

I tried to find a baptism for John William King c1904 as mentioned in the 1911 census, but no match with an Alfred and Alice Maud as parents - I was hoping that if we could find such a baptism and with Alfred described as 'bricklayer' this time, it would clinch it, but it wasn't gonna be that easy...

Thanks for your help. This all looks very promising!

Alan, going back to your grandad's age on the marriage certificate - he may have fibbed and said he was of full age if marrying without parental consent. Who were the witnesses?

John William??

John William King
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1901
Baptism Date: 12 Nov 1901
Father's name: John William King
>>Mother's name: Alice Maud King
Parish or Poor Law Union: Gray´s Inn Road Holy Trinity
Borough: Camden


Born 25th October 1901

I saw that one, but it was a few years too early for me.

When I saw the mother was Alice Maud, I was expecting the father to be Henry Ernest, the other half of that 1900 'double marriage'.

That makes three Alice Mauds at least, hitching up with a male King in London.

Back to the beginning I think

Maud A King
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John W King
Mother's name: Alice M King
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England
Civil Parish: St Andrew Holborn Above The Bars and St George The Martyr
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Household Members: Name Age
John W King 30 >>>>Victualler
Alice M King 24 >>>>Norwich Norfolk
Maud A King 25 >>>Not 25. 2 on original image
Bertha Downa 20

John William King
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Spouse Name: Alice Maude Parslow
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 04 Nov 1895
Parish: Holy Trinity, Grays Inn Road
County: London
Borough: Camden
Father Name: John William King >>>Licensed Victualler
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Parslow

The witnesses do not appear to be family. Names not distinct but appear to be L R H Burnett and A Campbell. One of my cousins tells me that Thomas Richard Renshaw was from a quite well to do family, and he married their maid, and was promptly disowned, which could be why he fibbed about his age.

Thomas and Maud per the certificate also gave the same address, which was probably not the done thing in those days.

Thomas Richard in 1911

RENSHAW, Richard Rowland Head Married M 46 1865 Cabinet Maker London Islington VIEW
RENSHAW, Emily Charlotte Wife Married
15 years F 44 1867 London Westminster VIEW
RENSHAW, William Ernest Son M 14 1897 Office Boy London Clerkenwell VIEW
RENSHAW, Minnie Daughter F 12 1899 School London Clerkenwell VIEW
RENSHAW, Thomas Richard Son M 10 1901 School London Peckham VIEW
RENSHAW, Florence Irene Daughter F 1 1910 London Peckham VIEW

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