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Please see last post on this thread as it is rather long, I am still looking for help in a few areas
Thanks

Ok, the marriage cert for William Henry Bevan to Jessie Bloomer came today. William was age 28 a bachelor living 3 back 12 Hope st Birmingham Parish St Lukes. His father was named, William Henry Richard Kynersley Bevan. Deceased in 1907 when the marriage took place.

So it looks like I had it wrong, I will do a bit digging later tonight as I am off out now, just wanted all who have been helping with this one what turned up.

Thanks to all
Kathy

I know I have added this posting on another line but thought it might be better to start a fresh line so as not to cause confusing



UPDATE
Hi I have the certs that I sent for and I am a bit confused now.

The line goes like this.

Aurther James Bevan b NOV 1915, father William Henry, mother Jessie Bloomer Both born Birmingham county Warwick. So far we had it right.

The birth cert for his father William Henry Bevan b march 1881, states his father was William Bevan mother Sarah Ann Turnpenny.

I have found the marriage for them.

Marriages Mar 1875
Bevan William Birmingham 6d 5
Turnpenny Sarah Ann Birmingham 6d 5

Also the 1881 census

William BEVAN Head M Male 21 Birmg, Warwick, England Bricklayers Laborer
Sarah A. BEVAN Wife M Female 20 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England
William H. BEVAN Son Male 2 w Birmg, Warwick, England

________________________________________
Source Information:
Dwelling 1 Back Of 33 Barn St
Census Place Birmingham, Warwick, England
Family History Library Film 1341714
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2990 / 20
Page Number 33


If you look at the ages it would mean that when they married they would have been 15 and 14? The fact they have a son William Henry age 2 weeks would fit. Also the address on the birth cert for the son has the same address as the 1881 census? Its all a bit odd.

Anyway, if anyone can find them in any other census i might be able to piece it together.

Any input would be welcome. On a sorrier subject my little dog died in my arms on monday she was only 8 but had a bad heart, i am heartbroken I am trying to keep busy and keep my mind occupied, so if I seem a bit confused please bare with me

Many thanks
Kathy

BEVAN, William Head Married M 31 1880 Carpenter Birmingham Warwickshire VIEW
BEVAN, Jessie Wife Married
4 years F 27 1884 Birmingham Warwickshire VIEW
BEVAN, William Son M 3 1908 Birmingham Warwickshire VIEW
>>>>>>>>>BEVAN, Mary Mother Widow F 73 1838 Ashby de la Zouch Leicestershire VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
18121 Reference:
RG14PN18121 RG78PN1098 RD384 SD4 ED18 SN134

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
St Martin Enumeration District:
18 Parish:
Birmingham

Address:
2 Court 2 Hope Street Birmingham
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mother not sarah ?

maybe a different b/c

Births Jun 1880 (>99%)

BEVAN William Birmingham 6d 192

1881 image does say 2 weeks. I'll add a correction to Ancestry.

1891 England Census
Name: Sarah A Bovan
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: William Bovan
Gender: Female
Where born: Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Basil
Town: Deritend
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address: 14 Glover St [Difficult to read so not sure of number. It could be a court in Glover St]

Occupation:

Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Deritend
Household Members: Name Age
William Bovan 35 - Bricklayer
Sarah A Bovan 31
William H Bovan 10 - Scholar
Joseph Bovan 8 - Scholar
Alice Bovan 6 - Scholar
Elizabeth Bovan 3
Arthur Bovan 1

Rest of family born Birmingham.

1901 England Census about William Bevan
Name: William Bevan
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Mary Bevan
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 77
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 187
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Bevan 62
William Bevan 21

1881 England Census about Mary Bevan
Name: Mary Bevan
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Henry Bevan
Gender: Female
Where born: Ashby De La Zouch, Leicestershire, England
Civil Parish: Aston
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address: 7 Court 1 House Glover St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Bevan 42 carter b Hereford
Mary Bevan 43
William H. Bevan

Hi and thanks for all your input. Lindsey I think you could be right about the cert being the wrong one. I hate when that happens. I will have to send for the one you posted and see what that turns up. I knew I had them on the 1911/1901 and 1881, father Henry mother mary. I dont have the 1891 census so not sure when Henry died. Mary was a widow in 1901. Darn it, these certs cost way to much now.

Thanks again
Kathy

i can't see them on 91 either, but it was handy his mother being on the 1911, sorry it's always money you'd rather not have to spend !

William H Bevan in Lindsey's 1881 is 17 months. That means he was born about Sep 1879.


Births Dec 1879
Bevan William Wilson Birmingham 6d 66

Births Mar 1880
Bevan William Herbert Aston 6d 254

Births Jun 1880
BEVAN William Birmingham 6d 192

???
Marriages Mar 1877
Bevan Richard Henry W K Birmingham 6d 68 <<<<<
BYARD Mary Birmingham 6d 68 <<<<<
Cope John Birmingham 6d 68
HILL Eliza Ann Birmingham 6d 68

1861: Mary Byard abt 1838 Ashby De La Zouch, Leicestershire, England Servant Birmingham, Warwickshire

1871 England Census
Name: Mary Byand [Could be Byard]
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Sister-in-Law
Gender: Female
Where born: Ashley Iela Zouth, Leicestershire, England
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Emmanuel
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address: 30 Saint Martin Street

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Thomas
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Household schedule number: 143
Household Members:
Name Age
Matthew Bowen 48 - Jobbing Smith; Birmingham
Jane Bowen 47 - Ticknall, Derby
John Bowen 17
Martha Bowen 15
Henry Bowen 13
Mary Byand 33
Joseph Prentice 35 - visitor

Oh crumbs I can see the number, it might be 11months written badly, and of course they won't check mothers name at GRO now, I see Kathleen in a sea of expensive paperwork at this rate !

???
1841 England Census
Name: Henry Bevan
Age: 5 MO
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Gender: Male
Where born: Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish: Allensmoor
Hundred: Webtree
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England
Street address: Small Brook????? [very faded]

Registration district: Hereford <<<<<<<<<<
Sub-registration district: Dewchurch
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Bevan 30 - Ag lab
Anne Bevan 30
Eizabeth Bevan 3
Henry Bevan 5 MO


OR


1841 England Census
Name: Richard Beavan
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Gender: Male
Where born: Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish: Withington
Hundred: Broxash
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England
Street address: Preston Marsh

Registration district: Hereford
Sub-registration district: Fowkshope
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Beavan 35 - Ag lab
Susan Beavan 30
James Beavan 8
Richard Beavan 2

All born in county.

1861 England Census
Name: Richard H Beavan
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Susannah Beavan
Gender: Male
Where born: Hope Under Dinmore, Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish: St Owen
Ecclesiastical parish: Hereford
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England
Street address: Bartonsham Allotments

Occupation: Mason's Lab.

Registration district: Hereford
Sub-registration district: Hereford City
Household Members: Name Age
Susannah Beavan 62 - widow; Dilwyn, herfordshire
Richard H Beavan 22
William Beavan 20 - Burgill, Herefordshire
Sarah A Beavan 18 - Burgill, Herefordshire
James Beavan 15 - Burgill, Herefordshire
Mary A Beavan 11 - Burgill, Herefordshire



1851 England Census
Name: Susan Beavan
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1803
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Dilwyn, Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish: Tillington
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England
Street address: Tillington Common

Occupation: Pauper Ag Lab

Condition as to marriage: widow

Registration district: Hereford
Sub-registration district: Dewchurch
Household Members: Name Age
Susan Beavan 48
William Beavan 12
Sarah Beavan 10
James Beavan 6
Mary Ann Beavan 2

Thanks to all for your input, let me review what I think adds up.
Arthur James Bevan b1915 his father was called William Bevan who married Jessie Bloomer.

Here they are in 1911


1911 JESSIE NEE BLOOMER

BEVAN, William Head Married M 31 1880 Carpenter Birmingham Warwickshire V
BEVAN, Jessie Wife Married4 years F 27 1884 Birmingham Warwickshire
BEVAN, William Son M 3 1908 Birmingham Warwickshire
BEVAN, Mary Mother Widow F 73 1838 Ashby de la Zouch Leicestershire

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
18121 Reference:
RG14PN18121 RG78PN1098 RD384 SD4 ED18 SN134

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
St Martin Enumeration District:
18 Parish:
Birmingham

Address:
2 Court 2 Hope Street Birmingham County:
Warwickshire

1901 Ancestry
Name: Mary Bevan Age: 62
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Head Gender: Female
Where born: Ashby De La Zouch, Leicestershire, England
Civil parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England

Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 77
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 187
Household Members:

Mary Bevan 62 widow Ashby De La Zouch, Leicestershire, England
William Bevan 21 Occ:Carpenter born Birmingham

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2863; Folio: 90; Page: 30

I dont have a1891 census


1881 census transcription details for: 7, Court 1 House, Glover St, Aston

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11 Piece: 3013 Folio: 106 Page: 47
Reg. District: Aston Sub District: Deritend Parish: Aston Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 7, Court 1 House, Glover St, Aston County: Warwickshire

BEVAN, Henry Head Married M 42 1839 General Carter Hereford Herefordshire
BEVAN, Mary Wife Married F 43 1838 Ashby de la Zouch Leicestershire
BEVAN, William H Son Single M 1 1880 Birmm Warwickshire

The fact that his mothers birth place is the same in all the above census makes me believe I am on the right path.

I don't have the marriage cert for William who married Jessie Bloomer, if I send for that it will at least confirm Williams fathers name.

But I believe I am looking for Henry Bevan who married Mary? I haven't had much luck finding the marriage.

I am keeping all your posts on record just in case they fall into place at some time.

I cant thank you enough all for your help.

Regards
Kathy

Hi Kathleen, looking at the Birmingham elec roll 1930 is it possible William and Jessie went on to have a son with middle name Kynnersley? I know this is forward in time rather than back which is where you want to go but if this info is needed then let me know and I will post it

best wishes

vanessa

Hi Vanessa, how kind of you, yes I would love to have any info on the family, I know they had Aurther in 1915 but not much else about them.

Thanks a lot

Kathy

Hi Kathleen, I did a basic search on free bmd and x referenced with the elec roll. I have found a family after 1911 who seem to fit with your couple, William and Jessie . They had 5 sons . I am going to send their names in a PM as some may still be alive??

Best wishes

Vanessa

Hi , Kathleen , just looking at all this again this morning and hope I am on the right lines ??

In 1891 it would appear the Bevan couple at Glover st are the parents of the William whose birth cert you have got ? William and Sarah.

In 1881 you have Henry and Mary on Glover st with their William.

Is it a coincidence or could they be connected ? Bevan is not that common although I know we must not just jump to conclusions.

I believe it is possible to look at consecutive pages of the census on Ancestry and I was just wondering if you looked up and down Glover st 1891 you might find Mary / Henry and William.

Not fully worked this through so hope someone can help out / dismiss it !

best wishes
vanessa

Hi Vanessa, you seen to have found a bit of a query, it seems odd 2 Bevan households at the same address but diff names? I wonder if they were brothers both with a son called Henry, until I can go further back I cant understand it. I have sent you a PM. Still if any one can help sort this out I would be grateful

Kathy

Think I am now correct in saying that the marriage on free bmd for

Mary Byard in Birmingham is to a
Richard Henry W K Bevan
Mar Q 1877 6 d 68

Maybe another name add to the pot and possible verification of the 1841 census found by Ozibird

??

best wishes

Vanessa

edit - I see now that this had been found by Ozibird previously . Looks like a good option Kathy.

My only other thought ( unless I have missed something ) is could Henry have been married before? It seems quite old for both of them to still be single ? I guess the cert would answer this .