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Hi,

I have also looked at several marriages in Stepney and I too have the witness as Ithiel Paice!!! I wonder if this was someone that used to 'stand in' when someone didn't turn up or the people getting married only had one witness???

As for your suggestion that John would be in the same area as he was married in - that is what I have based my whole search on. The area covered is like a triangle and most families live in the next street to each other or at the very least don't move out of the area.
J.
P.S. I don't know the area at all and have only been to the airport!

Hi Ellen,
Can't have a shoemaker as our father and son were illiterate and had no skills so either worked in the iron foundry or as dock labourers.
J.

1861
This Sarah remarried
Name: John Webb
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Stepson
Mother's Name: Sarh Miller -c1805Whitechapel
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitechapel, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St George in The East
John Webb -Shoemaker
John Webb c 1842 Stepney

Jean,I'm not that familiar with the London areas.Should have thought your John Webb ,would in 1861 be in the area he was married in ,or near.

Ellen

Hi again Ellen,

John Richard has also been checked out.

I am fairly certain our John will be from the Tower Hamlets area. I have an old map and tracked a triangle from Bow and the surrounding areas mentioned in the census returns for the family. The family has a history of working the docks in hard times and several of them worked on the boats.

They have always registered the births and tend to stick with the same names from one generation to another.

To the best of my knowledge all the census returns are intact for this area.

My favourites which I just can not check out ie I can't find out anymore about them are

John Webb senior 1821 , son John 1842 lodgers living with Hanah Bryant.

Robert Webb 1787 & wife Jane has a grandson John living with them and Robert is a dock labourer.

I have thoroughly checked all the John Webbs from Bethnal Green.

But if our father John came from the other counties and moved into the Tower Hamlets after John 1842's birth then the story gets so complicated as I still can't find 14 of them in the following census returns.

Ihave a wild card entry of John Webb born 1824 St Phillips, Bristol, who married twice, can't find out anything from his first marriage but his second on was to a Sarah Unwin. Still trying to track this one down.

Jeannie

Hi again Ellen,

John Richard has also been checked out.

I am fairly certain our John will be from the Tower Hamlets area. I have an old map and tracked a triangle from Bow and the surrounding areas mentioned in the census returns for the family.

They have always registered the births and tend to stick with the same names from one generation to another.

To the best of my knowledge all the census returns are intact for this area.

My favourites which I just can not check out ie I can't find out anymore about them are

John Webb senior 1821 , son John 1842 lodgers living with Hanah Bryant.

Robert Webb 1787 & wife Jane has a grandson John living with them and Robert is a dock labourer.

I have thoroughly checked all the John Webbs from Bethnal Green.

But if our father John came from the other counties and moved into the Tower Hamlets after John 1842's birth then the story gets so complicated as I still can't find 14 of them in the following census returns.

Jeannie

JOHN RICHARD WEBB Pedigree
Male
Birth: 28 MAR 1842

Christening: 24 APR 1842 Saint Nicholas Acons, London, London, England

JOHN WEBB Family
Mother: JANE

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Hi Ellen,

It has taken me nearly an hour to find Archer Zeph Gentle and his Clara Webb.

The married 19 June 1917 and emmigrated to Alameda, Saskatchewan Canada.

Her birth was 17 July 1882 and she died 20 Jun 1969; her father was Charles Webb.

So that means that you have surely found our Clara's death registration.

Have noted the other Johns you have found. They are on my checked list and are not our missing John.

Many thanks
Jeannie

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JOHN WILLIAM WEBB Pedigree
Male

Birth: 17 FEB 1837

Christening: 26 MAR 1837 All Souls, Saint Marylebone, London, England
JOHN WEBB Family
Mother: ANN

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1851 Father a Porter X

JOHN WEBB Pedigree
Male

Birth: 23 OCT 1835

Christening: 07 JUN 1837 Saint Giles Cripplegate, London, London, England

JOHN WEBB Family
Mother: SUSAN

Father a Tailor X

JOHN HORATIO WEBB Pedigree
Male
31 JUL 1841

Christening: 05 SEP 1841 Saint Matthew, Bethnal Green, London, England

JOHN WEBB Family
Mother: SARAH ELIZTH

This is the 1 in the tree on Ancestry .Father dead by 1851.1841 Census -Girom?Scored out .?

I really do appreciate all the effort you have made on my behalf.
A huge thank you!
Jeannie

Name: Clara J Webb
Spouse Surname: Gentle
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1917
Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 886
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Archer Z Gentle Webb Apr-May-Jun 1917 St George Hanover Square Middlesex

Name: Clara J Gentle
Death Registration Month/Year: 1944
Age at death (estimated): 75
Registration district: Paddington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 84

Name: Clara Jane Webb
Year of Registration: 1875
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 91 (click to see others on page)


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Only 1 in that area ,and that is the area in the 1891 Census ,Don't expect to have middle names all the time,but will look for a marriage.

Name: Mary A Parkes
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph Parkes
Mother's Name: Martha E Parkes
Gender: Female
Where born: Stepney, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Stepney
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 82
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Parkes 52
Martha E Parkes 53
Henry Parkes 22
Mary A Parkes 18
Emily Parkes 10
Charles Parkes 12


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Hi Ellen,
Just to add I made the note about the births some three + years ago but when I have just tried to re-check using FreeBMD there is only our Clara Jane. I DO wish I had made more notations of my searches!
J

Hi Ellen,
There was also a Clara Webb born in 1876, my Clara 1875. I appreciate that it will probably be her but there is still the doubt as I can't find the other Clara later on either.
J.

Hi Chris,
No birth certificate but on his marriage certificate when he was 23 he was living at 51 Scott Street.
J.