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also freebmd is showing that John Barnshaw Dutton born 1900 doesnt have mothers maiden name barnshaw.

He is the only one with this full and complete name...its very difficult if a family absolutely believe something from such a long time ago. I think his name was just John Dutton mmn barnshaw, and he took her maiden name after her death

On the BMD indexes, the mother's maiden surname is not indexed until around 1912. Your John's birth is registered as John Barnshaw Dutton so he didn't just adopt the Barnshaw after his mother's death.



Perhaps Elsie in 1911? Sorry I don't have credits to see who she is living with.

HOUSEHOLD DUTTON ELSIE F 1903 8 Nantwich Cheshire

is this his Death index ?

Name: John Barnshaw Dutton
Birth Date: 2 Mar 1900
Death Registration Month/Year: 1983
Registration district: Cardigan
Inferred County: Pembrokeshire
Volume: 24
Page: 1482

ah didnt know that so glad I asked, thankyou to both of you

The 1911 census rootgatherer found

1911 census transcription details for: 28 Delamere St West Crewe

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN21772 RG78PN1297 RD449 SD1 ED20 SN54


Reg. District: Nantwich Sub District: Crewe
Parish: Monks Coppenhall Enum. District: 20

Address: 28 Delamere St West Crewe
County: Cheshire


Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born

DUTTON, John Head Married M 48 1863 Stationary Engine Attendante Calveley Cheshire

DUTTON, Ellen Wife Married 27 years F 47 1864 Crewe Cheshire

DUTTON, Martha Daughter Single F 25 1886 Tailoress Crewe Cheshire

DUTTON, Ada Daughter Single F 19 1892 Buttoner Crewe Cheshire

DUTTON, Alice Daughter Single F 17 1894 Helps In The Home Crewe Cheshire

DUTTON, Frank Son M 12 1899 School Crewe Cheshire

DUTTON, Elsie Daughter F 8 1903 School Crewe Cheshire
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thanks for that, not sure elsie's full name was Elsie Adelaide Dutton born 1903, think her parents both died in 1906 so she wouldnt be living with anyone as daughter, in 1911.

allegedly (rumours in family) she was sent to the barnshaw side her mothers while the boys her brothers did indeed go to the Dutton side. A knotty ball of string I know, sorry.

thanks so much to everyone

Found Elsie - mistranscribed in 1911!!

HOUSEHOLD DULTON ELSIE ADELAIDE F 1902 9 Nantwich Cheshire

Living with

HOUSEHOLD BARNSHAW ELIZABETH F 1842 69 Nantwich Cheshire
HOUSEHOLD RATCLIFFE FANNY F 1896 15 Nantwich Cheshire


Perhaps Barbara would be good enough to look up that entry for you as there may be others in the household.

I wonder if Elsie married very young? there is a male name missing on FreeBMD.

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1918 (>99%)
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BUCKLEY Florence H Sptroston Northwich 8a 515
Dutton Elsie A Cawley Northwich 8a 515
SPROSTON Jack Buckley Northwich 8a 515

how wonderful I know that was hard work, thankyou so much.

Perfect,rootgatherer!

1911 census transcription details for: Woolfall Hall Farm Buerton Audlem

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN21827 RG78PN1300 RD449 SD4 ED4 SN21


Reg. District: Nantwich Sub District: Wrenbury
Parish: Buerton Enum. District: 4
Address: Woolfall Hall Farm Buerton Audlem
County: Cheshire

BARNSHAW, Elizabeth Head Widow F 69 1842 Dairy Farmer Cheshire Buerton
DULTON, Elsie Adelaide Granddaughter F 9 1902 Cheshire Bridgemere
RATCLIFFE, Fanny Servant Single F 15 1896 General Servant Domestic Cheshire Burleydam

Maureen

Well done you lot ! - Great Teamwork !!!

Dea x

superb, they will be delighted, no one knew what happened to her.

many many thanks everyone

Sorry Rootgatherer, I missed your posting, Well done great result.

Thank you Maureen,

Best wishes
Barbara x

Missing groom (wrong page number been transcribed)

Name: Fred Cawley
Spouse Surname: Dutton
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1918
Registration district: Northwich
Registration county (inferred): Cheshire
Volume Number: 8a
Page Number: 518 >>>(should be 515)
Find Spouse: Find Spouse

Just checking in and see that we have moved on quite a bit. Glad to see the birth I found for Elsie Adelaide was the correct one. My next check was going to be 1911 for Elsie but I see you've beaten me to it.
Well Done everyone.
Catherine!

Yes well done, Catherine, without the birth index for Elsie Adelaide we would all have been still looking for just Adelaide.
Best Wishes
Barbara x

sorry for delay had to go to work, many thanks for that update on our elsie adelaide.

much appreciated to you all