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Deaths Dec 1889
Hogan Ann 39 Wigan 8c 39

Can you look this one up next week ach?

I know the age is out a bit,but do remember they ARE Irish .;))


And these marriages.

Marriages Dec 1891
Hogan John Wigan 8c 171
Marriages Mar 1897
Hogan John Wigan 8c 183
Marriages Dec 1900
Hogan John Wigan 8c 213


I suspect that after looking at 1881 again that Mary ann and Ann ARE 2 different people.
Also there is a massive gap between children on it so did some stay in Ireland(like Christopher)and come over later.?

When you say look them up do you mean go to RO and ask questions, sorry to ask. or do you mean purchase them.

I think you may be able to see some details without payment at Wigan RO, C will be able to tell you,C knows how.

But they are all Roman Catholic are they not?May be you wont be able to in that case.
Off to ask C.

This may be Peter


1891 Scotland Census about Peter Hogan
Name: Peter Hogan
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration district: Bothwell
Civil parish: Bothwell
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Tannochside 36
Occupation: C Miner
Household Members:
Name Age
Bernard Gillan 27
Calleran Gillan 19
Bernard Gillan 3
Mary Ann Gillan 1
Peter Hogan 22
Charles O'Niel 20

Will speak to C, what makes you think this could be him in Scotland.

Right ageish,birth place,manual labour,no other Peter Hogan other than yours on other census so similar for specs.
Just a feeling as well.
Learnt to listen to that a bit I have,not always right of coursethough,cant be right all the time .;)

Yes they are all RC so no records in history shop.

From Lancashire BMD
You should be able to see details of them I think.

Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HOGAN John CRAWFORD Mary Ann Wigan, Register Office or Registrar Attended Wigan & Leigh ROW/75/34

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1897
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference

HOGAN John DONNELLY Mary Wigan, Register Office or Registrar Attended Wigan & Leigh ROW/86/139

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1900
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HOGAN John HAGAN Mary Wigan, Register Office or Registrar Attended Wigan & Leigh ROW/102/70
Total records matching : 3


Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1889
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
HOGAN Ann 39 Wigan Wigan & Leigh WIG/121/467


Sent message to C,but I think she said that she was going shopping with B when I spoke to her this morning.

Thanks for all that I will go down to the History Shop next week and see if I can find the marriages. Will get back to you asap. Thanks again

Hi FBG
Been to history shop, no record for any of the 3 marriages, told they are all R.O marriages not church, so no records at Lanc's R.O. either, only way is to purchase them.

Looked at the burial record of Ann Hogan age 39, 18/11/1889 St Patricks RC Church. Address 39 Schofield Lane, Wigan.
So no further on really.

You dont really need a second marriage cert for John Hogan do you?
Although I guess it would have given you his fathers name at least,not that that may have helped anyway.

I am out of suggestions here as I am really not good at Irish stuff.
My GGGrndfather was Irish ,born c1844 no place given where exactly in Ireland,so I dropped it there.

But could you recap what exactly you are left wanting to try and find other than the marriage of Anne Swift and John Hogan now please as I am confusing myself rapidly here..!

I'm also confused but I'll try!! but thats nothing new.

We did'nt know if we was on the right census for the year 1891 and if he remarried because 1901 gave John's wife as Mary Ann but I guess it don't really matter because the birth of Peter on IG in Dublin I think is correct, right year, right place. So I will just have to accept it, so really it is only the marriage cert. for John Hogan and Ann Swift that I need to take it further.

You probably know how it is when something just doesn't add up then it puts doubts in your mind.

Just another thought, if I go and get the birth cert for Catherine b.1880 and the mother is Anne Swift then I will be totally convinced.

Ok.

I do now think that it is "your"John Hogan on 1891 after going through everything again.
Catherine born 1880 is with him,you say you have a baptism for Christopher to the same parents as the other children and I am convinced that the Peter Hogan in Scotland on 1891 is yours too.

The trains ran well back then,unlike now,although they were slightly slower and more labour intensive of course.:)


The marriage of Anne Swift and John Hogan is another matter.

Being RC I guess you may need to go to Dublin to search for it.?
Unless Eingobragh has any ideas?

Holiday time??

Thanks for all your help really app.

I am also convinced Peter in Scotland is the right one. I will ask Eingobragh if any ideas for the marriage.

We have decided to go over to Ireland next year as my husbands family are from Mayo and he has been wanting to go back to the farm where they lived for a long time, he went as a child. So we will have to do the rounds.

Should I contact Eingobragh by PM.

Chris x

I expect she will see this ,but I dont think she is on here everyday,so maybe a pm as well asking for any ideas.
She is a very nice lady and I am sure will try to help if she can.

Please can you have some English Proddys to ask about next time?
Just tag a message on here if you want help with any other of your lot.

And please dont tell C I said that or she may want help with something as well...sigh...

Yea English Proddy's are much easier, got plenty of them as well, but one at a time eh, get confused enough.

nudge

Copying over ach's new request:

I did post on here in 2010 regarding this family but I have now got a little further but I am stuck again.

John Hogan b.1845ish & Anne Swift b.1845ish married at St Michan's Dublin, 16/2/1863, on the Parish Record which I found on the Irish Genealogy site. The father of John is also John Hogan, and it looks like his residence at the time of marriage was either Garristown or Ganistown. His mother's name was Marea or maybe Mary, maiden name unknown.

Anne Swift's father was Peter Swift also residence in Garristwon or Ganistown, mother Annea maiden name unknown.

I have been told that the Garristown records only go back to 1857, has anyone any idea how I could move this forward or is this as far as I am going get!!

Hello ach! Long time no see - hope you are well. :-D


Just glancing a couple of posts above, I see that FBG was being horrid to me as long as 18 months ago - and she's still being horrid to me now. Some things never change..... ;-)


I will alert her to the fact that you are around - she doesn't get a lot of time on here these days as she has a little hurricane living with her!



I saw your relative this morning and he's popping round here tonight as it happens.......... :-D



Take care. Cx

Hello Cynthia, I'm well, say hello to my relative, I was at the funeral of my cousin's husband a couple of weeks ago and he did the service.

Chris