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can anyone please help me i have traced my great great grand fathers name but i dont know where to get his birth csrtificate from as the info i have says he was german brit sub .as anyone come across this before ,and i have no idea where to go next any help would be great many thanks ivy

Try putting their names and we can try to help you.

his name was john smears he was 56 years old on the 1901 census his wife was mary

Daughter Lena's probable birth registration.......

Births Jun 1876

Smears Lena ..W. Derby 8b 451

Have you found John and Mary on census earlier than 1901?
Perhaps there are more clues there.

It may be that John's father was working overseas or had an Army posting.
Have you looked on the Access to Archives site to see if John has any naturalisation papers.?

Gwyn

i have looked for any naturalisation papers for john but there was none i have also looked at the overseas births but they are so badly done i cant make out some of the names does anyone know where i could get the birth certificates for lena who is my great aunt its johns other daughter hanora who is my great grand mother ,she married my great grand father alexander mcquade

you might want to check www.findmypast.co.uk

I entered John Smears, and there are several pages of overseas births for you to check


I did look at the censuses on ancestry ...................... all the way from 1861 to 1901, he said born in Germany, 1881 said Hamburg, Germany

There are some wild and wonderful mis-transcriptions of the names, but someone has noted the correct versions

1881 Census

Name: John Sinears
[John Smears]
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: May
Gender: Male
Where born: Hamburg, Germany

Civil parish: Kirkdale
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 9 Cellar St.
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Foreman

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Kirkdale

John Sinears 32
May Sinears 19 Wife, Ginger Beer Maker <<<<< Mary
Wilhelmina Sinears 12
Suisia Sinears 9 <<< Louisa
John Sinears 8
Mary Sinears 7
Luie Sinears 4
Johunue Sinears 2


It does say 19 on the image for Mary's age. I wonder if she was his second wife?



BUT there is also a John Smears, with 2 siblings George and Maria as visitors on the 1851 Census ............ and they say they were born in Woolwich, Kent

1851 Census

Name: John Smears
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Woolwich, Kent, England

Civil parish: Woolwich
Town: Woolwich
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich Arsenal

Robt Hazell 30 Gunner Royal Artillery
Mary Ann Hazell 22
Mary Isabella Hazell 2
Willm Hy Hazell 4 MO
John Smears 6
George Smears 4
Maria Smears 2




IF this is the same John, then it implies that his father was a soldier ............. and as such you may find his birth registered in the overseas GRO ..... which is what is shown on findmypast.



sylvia

I wonder if this is Johunue Sinears 2 from the first family ???

Name: Johanna Smears
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 13 May 1878
Baptism/Christening Place: Walton-on-the-Hill, Aston Brook, Birmingham, Warwick, England
Father's Name: John Smears
Mother's Name: Mary
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02189-5
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1545931
Reference Number: 78
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Residence: Kirkdale, Lancashire, England

This family must have moved from Warwick to Lancashire.

In case there is someone of this name in the Smear family ??

Groom's Name: Charles Henry Bowyer
Groom's Birth Date: 1866
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 28
Bride's Name: Mary Hannah Smears
Bride's Birth Date: 1875
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 19
Marriage Date: 28 Jan 1894
Marriage Place: St Mary Kirkdale, Walton On The Hill, Lancaster, England
Groom's Father's Name: Robert Bowyer
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: John Smears
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status: Widowed
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status: Single
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01180-0
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1545940
Reference Number: it357, pg158, no315
Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973

that baptism of Gael's for Johanna is possibly mis-leading - Walton-on-the-Hill IS Kirkdale not Birmingham.

Her birth reg - Liverpool

Births Jun 1878 (>99%)
Smears Johanna Liverpool 8b 44

I wonder if that has been anglizied to Hannah in that family A census

Hannah = Hanora???? - there does not seem to be a hanora in any of the censuses listed

when did your Gt grandmother marry please

john smears age 46 in the 1891 censuses lived with his wife mary age 39 son john age 19 daughter mary age 16 daughter lena age 14 daughter hanora age 12 in the 1901 censuses the family moved too 141 laurrel street john is 56 wife mary 49 lena who is now called parkin age 24 and theer son in law lives there he is called thomas parkin age 30 my great grandmother hanora married my great grandfather michael mcquade in sep 1901 at st peters church in liverpool not sure where to get the certificate from

john smears age 46 in the 1891 censuses lived with his wife mary age 39 son john age 19 daughter mary age 16 daughter lena age 14 daughter hanora age 12 in the 1901 censuses the family moved too 141 laurrel street john is 56 wife mary 49 lena who is now called parkin age 24 and theer son in law lives there he is called thomas parkin age 30 my great grandmother hanora married my great grandfather michael mcquade in sep 1901 at st peters church in liverpool not sure where to get the certificate from

honara is 12 in the 1851 censuses she lives with her father john smears age 46 mary johns wife age 39 his son john age 19 his daughter mary age 16 and his daughter lena age 14 in the 1901 censuses the family live at 139 laurel st in the parish of st peters in tyneside it shows john smears age 56 wife mary age 49 daughter lena parkin age 24 and her husband thomas parkin age 30 my great grand mother honora married my great grandad michael mcquade in sep 1901 in st peters church liverpool

john had a daughter called mary and this could be her thank you so much

just checked mary was 16 in the 1891 census

It's NOT Hanora

it's HANNAH

Someone has corrected the surname



1891 Census

Name: Lind Smcars
[Lena Smears]
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Walton On The Hill
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Walton On The Hill
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Walton

John Smcars 46 b.ca 1845, Germany, General Labourer
Mary Smcars 39 b.ca 1852, Germany
John Smcars 19 General Labourer
Mary Smcars 16
Lind Smcars 14
Hannah Smcars 12 Scholar

Address:- 71 Goodison Road (Herb Shop)



sylvia

what the ....................!


Marriages Sep 1901 (>99%)

CARTER William Edward Liverpool 8b 61
Eddington Emily Hilda Liverpool 8b 61
McQuade Michael Liverpool 8b 61 <<<<<<<<<<<
SMEARS Norah Liverpool 8b 61 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<


NO Hannah or Hanora or Honora


but NORAH Smears


and on Lancs bmd, we get:-


SMEARS Norah MCQUADE Michael Liverpool, St. Peter Liverpool 2122LP/96/378




have we come across a Norah Smears before?????????????




sylvia

Not sure that this helps at all!!!


Public Family Tree on ancestry ...... which as we all know may have incorrect information on it. But nevertheless, it is interesting!!


Craven/Volter Family Tree
Owner: joyforbes1

Hannah Smears

Birth
abt 1879
Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Family Members
Parents

Johan Heinrich Schmedes
1845 – 1916

Maria Christine Rode
1852 –


Show siblings

Wilhelmena Lena Schmedes
1869 – 1946

Louisa Mary Schmedes
1870 –

John Smears
1872 – 1906

Mary Hannah Smears
1874 –

Lena Smears
1876 –

Johanna Smears
1878 – 1966




Johan Heinrich Schmedes

Birth
abt 1845
Hamburg, Germany

Death
1916
West Derby, England, United Kingdom


1868
Age: 23
Marriage to Maria Christine Rode
Liverpool, Lancashire, England


Family Members

Parents

Charles Schmedes

No Mother known




Maria Christine Rode

Birth
abt 1852
in Germany



Parents

Charles Rode
1825 –

Mena Rode
1826 – 1897




sylvia

A Johann Schmedes did marry a Maria Rode in Liverpool


Lancs bmd

SCHMEDES Johann H RODE Maria C Liverpool, St. Peter Liverpool 2122LP/53/365



freebmd

Marriages Sep 1868 (>99%)

Rode Maria Christine Liverpool 8b 170
Schmedes Johann Hinrich Liverpool 8b 170




sylvia

that is what i found too they are my great grand parent s but when a researcher helped me she found hanora on the census and said that she could have changed it .there daughter who is my grandmother seems to have changed her name too i always knew her as grandma marion and this is what it says on my dads birth certificate but when i looked up her birth it said her name was marie igot her wedding certificate and that says marie too but the addresses on my dads birth certificate and her marrage certificate both match my gran married norman currie and his occupation on both certificates match i am getting confused they married 12th febuary 1927