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So 'tis Janey lol...I'm getting punch drunk ;)

Rose, I agree. Of the few Carolines the right age in Southwold, I had considered her -- and duh, didn't make the Major connection.

He's Herbert, not Henry, though. ;)


His death? just for info:

Name: Herbert M Webster
Death Registration Month/Year: 1942
Age at death (estimated): 75
Registration district: Brentwood
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 520

Rambling Rose, you are a treasure, many thanks for all your efforts

HMMM what do you reckon? Major...Mager? with a brother called Henry....do you reckon that henry Major was named after his uncle and the Mager has been altered to Major??

1851 England Census

Name: Caroline Mager
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Female
Where born: Southwold, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Southwold
Ecclesiastical parish: Norwich
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Blything
Sub-registration district: Westleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 12c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 101
Household Members: Name Age
Charlotte Mager 47
Thomas Mager 18
Henry Mager 15
Caroline Mager 13
Catharine Mager 12
Charlotte Mager 11

Ancestry is very good for seeing the marriage certs for London for a certain period B, ditto baptisms and deaths.

Thankyou,

Looks like I may have to dicth "thegenealogist" and go for Ancestry!

B

Everything I've posted is from Ancestry.co.uk

Andy

It has nothing to do with "as quickly as I would have liked".

The question you actually asked was about the birth of Herbert (M) Webster. That was the only suggestion offered in answer.

I think unless you have something concrete B that Caroline Brazendale is not the same person as Caroline Webster ...

Andy,

Can i ask where you got this information from, I use "thegenealogist" website and I am unable to find them, even when I put in the street address they dont appear to be there. I am beginning to pull out what little hair i have remaining!!

B

JaneyCanuck, my apologies for not responding as quickly as I would have liked, it is just that you have all given me so much to think about I am a little overawed by it all. In answer to your question yes there is a possibility that Abbot could have been misheard as Herbert, this is something that I am going to have to look into.
Many thanks.

Unfortunately the Caroline Webster / Edwards marriage has her father James 'Dec'd...but no occupation given

Yes, RR. That 1881 mother and son are in the 1871, which makes that Caroline *not* the Caroline married to Brazendale who subsequently married Edwards.

OUR Caroline was pretty likely just born Webster.

-- edit -- the big problem, B, is that you stated things in the OP as fact that you did not know to be fact, and that evidently weren't. If you had the marriage certificates in question, you would have seen this, I think.



And could ANYBODY -- like maybe the person who started the thread -- respond to my suggestion for the actual question asked?

Births Sep 1866
Webster Abbot M Blything 4a 626

right this marriage shows Caroline Webster father James Webster marrying Edwards a gardener

Name: Caroline Webster
Spouse Name: George Edwards
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 9 Jul 1876
Parish: St Stephen, South Lambeth
County: Middlesex
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: James Webster
Spouse Father Name: Joseph Edwards

thank you all for all of your quick input, although I am still a little confused about who is who, I did feel that her third marriage to George Edwards three years after her second mrriage was a little quick, but who knows what went on then.
I will keep digging.

Many thanks to all you wonderful people.

B.

Yes, Andrew. I posted that 1871 above. THAT is the Caroline who married Henry Webster, I believe.



And a woman with a child getting married might just call herself a widow. ;)

can we go back to what we know for a minute?

1881 for ref

Name: Herbert M. Webster
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Step Son
Mother's Name: Caroline
Gender: Male
Where born: Southwold, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Clerkenwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 15 Northampton Sq
Education:

Employment status:

View image
Occupation: Errand Boy

Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: Goswell Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
George Edwards 64 gardener Herts
Caroline Edwards 44
Herbert M. Webster 14

Another 1871 to add confusion. Do we have 2 seperate Caroline Brazendales? and who is Henry Wilster (Webster??)


1871 England Census
about Caroline Brazendale
Name: Caroline Brazendale
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Caroline
Gender: Female
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Lambeth Church Second
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 155
Household Members: Name Age
Caroline Brazendale 33 Needlewoman, born surrey
Caroline Brazendale 9
Clara Brazendale 5
William Brazendale 1
Henry Wilster 27 Housesmith,
William Ridge 39
Mary Ridge 30
May Ridge 6


Andy

edit - Wait, I had my years wrong. ;)


*1871*

Name: Caroline Brazendale
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Newington, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Lambeth

Caroline Brazendale 33
Caroline Brazendale 9
Clara Brazendale 5
William Brazendale 1
Henry Wilster 27
William Ridge 39
Mary Ridge 30
May Ridge 6


No, wait. No Herbert. So yes, different Caroline??

I think the Brazendale-Webster marriage is wrong, different Caroline ........ ?

slight problem?

that marriage of Caroline Webster to Edwards... she is down as a widow but her fathers name is James Webster... even if she had used her late husbands father's name as her 'father' that's different ..henry Webster's father was also Henry......