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1901 England Census
about Gladys Wellsman
Name: Gladys Wellsman
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1900
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Esther
Gender: Female
Where born: Clapham, London, England

Civil parish: Battersea
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Northwest Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
William Wellsman 24
Esther Wellsman 20
Gladys Wellsman 1

1901

WELLSMAN, William Head Married M 24 1877 General Labourer
Blackfriars
London VIEW
WELLSMAN, Esther Wife Married F 20 1881
High Barnet
Middlesex VIEW
WELLSMAN, Gladys Daughter F 1 1900
Clapham
London VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
451 Folio:
85 Page:
1

Registration District:
Wandsworth Sub District:
North West Battersea Enumeration District:
16 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Christ Church

Civil Parish:
Battersea Municipal Borough:
Address:
7, Wye Street, Battersea County:
London

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Gladys Esther Wellsman
Name: Gladys Esther Wellsman
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1901
Spouse Name: Ernest Walter Abbott (printer)
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Feb 1921
Parish: St Mary Magdalene
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: William Stanley Wellsman
Spouse Father Name: John Abbott

one of the witnesses was a Doris Wellsman

Marriages Mar 1900 (>99%)
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Clarke Esther Lambeth 1d 481
Drake Frank Lambeth 1d 481
Parsons Charlotte Emily Lambeth 1d 481
Wellsman William Stanley Lambeth 1d 481

June 3 children of the marriage I think...do you have this info? or are you wanting to work further back?

Name: Gladys Herbert Wellsman Clark
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 9 Mar 1900
Mother's Name: Esther Clark
Parish: All Saints, South Lambeth
Borough: Lambeth
County: Middlesex


Address looks like 41 Jeffries Rd

Same address for this baptism
Name: Herbert Victor Bailey
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 9 Mar 1900
Mother's Name: Frances Bailey
Parish: All Saints, South Lambeth
Borough: Lambeth
County: Middlesex




Name: William S Wellsman
Death Registration Month/Year: 1916
Age at death (estimated): 38
Registration district: Lambeth
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 1d
Page: 303

rambling rose
no i didnt think there are more children
do you know the names thanks june

William wellsman children june

Hi No i dont think so only William wellsman was married again to My grandma Elizabeth Harvey in 1907 had one child William wellsman Thanks june

Hi Rambling Rose
Is the marrage of Glasdys wellsman as stanley wellsman is not in my family unles he is related to william wellsman who is Doris wellsman thanks june

Ramling Rose is this all the same wellsman familly
thanks june

June

you asked for

Gladys Wellsmand (edit:- Wellsman) 1899, mother Esther


so these people ahve very kindly found a Galdys Wellsman born 1899 on the 1901 Census


The information shown on the Census was that the family consisted of:-

William Wellsman 24 b.ca 1877, Blackfriars, London
Esther Wellsman 20 b.ca 1881, High Barnet, Middlesex
Gladys Wellsman 1 b.ca 1900, Clapham, London


Further information was then found for you:-

a) marriage of William Wellsman and Esther

Marriages Mar 1900 (>99%)

Clarke Esther Lambeth 1d 481
Wellsman William Stanley Lambeth 1d 481

.. showing that William had two forenames ... William Stanley


b) a baptism showing that Gladys was probably born before her parents were married

Name: Gladys Herbert Wellsman Clark
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 9 Mar 1900
Mother's Name: Esther Clark
Parish: All Saints, South Lambeth
Borough: Lambeth
County: Middlesex

The address given was 41 Jeffries Road



you will have to buy the marriage certificate to discover the actual date William and Esther were married.



c) Gladys Esther Wellsman married Ernest Walter Abbott (printer) in 1921

The fathers' names were William Stanley Wellsman and John Abbott

One of the witnesses was a Doris Wellsman ..... the suggestion being that she was a possible sibling of Gladys.





You then say " William wellsman was married again to My grandma Elizabeth Harvey in 1907 had one child William wellsman


IF that is so ...... then we are dealing with TWO William Wellsman


This is the marriage for William Welssman and Elizabeth Harvey, as taken from th eLondon marriages:-


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Mary Elizabeth Harvey
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Spouse Name: George William Wellsman
Spouse Age: 28
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Sep 1907
Parish: All Saints, St Marylebone
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: James Harvey
Spouse Father Name: George William Wellsman


George William is a Bachelor, age 28, Warehouseman, and lviing at 48 Howard Buildings.

His father was also a Warehouseman


if he was 28 in 1907, then he was born ca 1879

Mary Elizabeth is a Spinster, no occupation shown, and address is 1 Metropolitan Buildings.

Her father is deceased, but was a Corn dealer




Hope this answers most of your questions




sylvia

it might be very instructive to look on the 1911 census ...... I don't have a sub to it




sylvia

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1911 census - household transcription
Person: WELLSMAN, William George
Address: 5 Weaver Street Bethnal Green E

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WELLSMAN, William George Head Married
4 years M 32 1879 Warehouseman London Bermondsey VIEW
WELLSMAN, Elizabeth Wife Married
4 years F 26 1885 London St Pancras VIEW
WELLSMAN, William Son M 2 1909 London Mile End VIEW

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Deaths Dec 1930 (>99%)
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Wellsman Esther 49 Epsom 2a 61



Deaths Mar 1916 (>99%)
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Wellsman William S 38 Lambeth 1d 303


thesed could be Gladys parents

Rose is taking a break from GR, and has just sent me a pm

I'm not sure if I should post this, but here goes.


Rose says:-

.......... might help to know that I sent her the 1881, this matches year and place of birth for the William with wife Esther and daughter Gladys

Name: William Welsman
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Blackfr Rd, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 9 Jessop Road
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Brixton
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Welsman 43
Sarah Welsman 43
Charles Welsman 14
Henry Welsman 13
James Welsman 9
Joseph Welsman 8
William Welsman 4

and she has just replied

"Rambling Rose i thought he only had 2 sisters Emily and Amelia
he had a George parker related to him both lived windmill rd
june"





June


WHAT do you know ..... defintiively?


and

WHAT do you want to know?




Please reply on the thread.




sylvia

Off for dinner .... I'll be back in an hour or so




sylvia

and THIS is the 1881 Census for William George (also known as George William) Wellsman who married Mary Elizabeth in 1907


Note his sister's name


1881 Census

Name: William Geo. Wellsman
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Wm.Geo.
Mother's Name: Emily
Gender: Male
Where born: Horsely Down

Civil parish: Shoreditch
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 49 Monyer St

Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Hoxton New Town

Wm.Geo. Wellsman 34 b.ca 1847, Bethnal Green, Wine Cooper
Emily Wellsman 34 b.ca 1847, Cripplegate
William Geo. Wellsman 5
Amelia Ann Wellsman 3 b.ca 1878, Horsely Down



and the same family in 1891 .......... with the addition of younger sister Emily

1891 Census

Name: George W Wellsman
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William G
Mother's Name: Emily
Gender: Male
Where born: M St Johns Horsleydown, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Edmonton
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Edmonton

William G Wellsman 44 b.ca 1847, St Luke, London, Bottle Washer
Emily Wellsman 43 b.ca 1848, St Luke, London
George W Wellsman 15 Bottle Washer
Amelia A Wellsman 13 b.ca 1878, St Johns, Horselydown, Surrey
Emily S Wellsman 9 b.ca 1882, St Leonard, Middlesex

Address:- 23 Windmill Road




as I said before


There are TWO William Wellsman, born at about the same time, in London

One was William George Wellsman (sometimes written as George William)

and the other was William Samuel Wellsman


It was William Samuel Wellsman who married Esther in 1899, and had daugther Gladys


It was William George Wellsman who married Elizabeth Harvey in 1907 and had son William


It was William George who had two sisters, Amelia and Emily





sylvia

Just as a matter of interest, there is a WW1 Pension Record for William George Wellsman

Had served for 28 days with the Kimberley Light Horse, 1901, discharged medically unfit


Next of Kin:-
Mary Elizabeth Wellsman, Wife
Address:- 19 Ashcroft Rd, Bow E

Son:- William John, born 30-6-08, Mile End


Called Up 5 July 1916
Service Number 28493

Posted to the Yorks & Lancs 4th Res 1-09-16

Transferred to Royal Flying Corps 7-03-17
Service Number (changed to) 65868


Discharged, no longer medically fit for service 27-12-17

permanently excluded from liablity to medical reexamination





sylvia