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Janey, sorry - attending to domestic drama at same time!

When I said the wrong Robert I meant the Robert Eleanor one! And I'm not sure about the groom one, but the name is just too much of a coincidence.

The link you gave from FMP - yes that's him. And Jax is definitely right.

He was 23 when he married, but it's a bad scan of the marriage cert and can't see who witnesses were - need to buy new copy, methinks.

It also says older brother but the only one that fits for Ernest was born 1871ish cannot see record of birth though only death and marriage

ja...x

1901 - He was on active service in South Africa
(Can't find Jane and family on census, but I know they had moved to Shotley Bridge in Northumberland by that time)

Have you noted that Chris Ho :) has found your Jane on 1901 MC?

23 in June 1888 -- so could have just turned 23 (born 1865) or be almost 24 (born 1864).

I don't think the other one's a coincidence, I think it's just one of the relatively plentiful Lincolnshire Daub*neys. This one, in fact. Not our one.

Births Sep 1869
DAUBNEY Robert Lincoln 7a 465
Marriages Mar 1892
Daubney Robert Lincoln 7a 726
HARE Elizabeth Matilda Lincoln 7a 726

Yes Fans - well done Chris! My search including variants never brought that one up.

Births Mar 1871
Hill Ernest Clifford Braintree 4a 383

Dang ... I was going to mention that my Ernest Hill born 1851 was in Poplar in 1871 ...

Just my hill fixation. No marriage or death for that one. But he's in 1871 with father Edward and mother Emily and a load of sibs. Oh, and father is Rector of Panfield. Snork. Ignore me.

I have found messages
from you and another researcher I believe you have had contact with.


I thought this one was interesting

"I read these messages about General Sir H.C.B.Daubeney. I am trying to trace Daubeney's and am having problems. My Great Grandfather Ernest Daubeney (b.about 1870) had a brother Robert Tait Daubeney who was in the Northumberland Fusiliers. The boys both married and their marriage certificates in 1889 and 1891 state that their father was a soldier but deceased. The biggest problem is that Ernest's certificates names the father as James Daubeney and Robert's as Frederick Charles. Any relation? "


So how sure are you they were brothers?

LK -- on Robert's enrolment papers he names brother Ernest, although the attachment to a particular Ernest might be tenuous?

I assume that we have moved far enough into modern times that the families know each other and that they're related. Possible they weren't actual sibs, or full sibs, maybe ...

On 1881 there is this

Household DAUBNEY, Ernest 1870 11 M West Ham Essex
Address: West Ham Union School, Low Leyton (Aka Workhouse)

I cant find him on 1871,nor do I see a birth to match.

LK - that's exactly the thing. Although as Jax rightly found he does give Ernest as brother (and it does look like older, but I don't think it's likely) I'm not 100% they were full brothers, may perhaps have been cousins?

I thought it odd that one "brother" would be at what I understand to have been (and still is) a prestigious military musical school while the other was at a workhouse school, but that may be because Ernest was too young to be enroled anywhere like that.

More things to know -- Ernest's full name.

Marriages Sep 1891
Daubeney Ernest Albert W. Ham 4a 56

There's a bride missing. Yours was? Was he in SA in 1901? What place of birth do censuses have for him?

Basically, he's your actual ancestor, so it's his ancestors we're after, so we may as well have all the dirt on him.

Name: Ernest Daubney
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Inmate
Where born: Leytonstone, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Leyton Low
Registration district: West Ham
Country: England
Street address: "West Ham Union School"

Janey - I'm not 100% that Ernest is an ancestor (no proof that he's Robert's brother) but Robert is definitely my GGrandfather.

I've never found any military record for Ernest, as far as I know he was a milkman (yes, I know - he was probably the inspiration for that song!) and his name on marriage was Ernest Albert. He married Elizabeth Mansfield on 21 Sep 1891 at Forest Gate Parish Church.

Robert was in South Africa from 15 Mar 1901 to 04 Jun 1902

Sorry! I'd read what LK copied over:

"My Great Grandfather Ernest Daubeney (b.about 1870) had a brother Robert Tait Daubeney who was in the Northumberland Fusiliers."

assuming it was you who wrote it. So that's one of the ones in the same boat as you, a dangling Daubeney in the tree.

So Robert is your man. Well, we should still see whether anything can be found that might lead to Robert of course.

If Ernest was the milkman he was definitely my ancestor. According to my little sister's grade 10 biology teacher (who had also been mine 14 years earlire), anyway, when she could not complete her BB Bb genetics assignment because there was no way to produce a grid for two parents with light-blue and light-green eyes bringing forth four brown-eyed offspring.

Connect yourself to Ernest the milkman, and we're cousins!

MC
I found this on The Newham Family History site
It appears he was a milkman



I am trying to trace the Daubeney family and wonder if anyone has any information about them
Ernest Albert Daubeney b approx 1868 - a milkman who in the 1881 census appears to be in the West Ham Union Workhouse. I have been unable to trace his birth or find him in the 1871 or 1891 census
Elizabeth Daubeney b 24/3/1868 - formerly Mansfield and born in Suffolk
They married in 1891 (after the census) and had 7 children
Eleanor Maud Daubeney 17/6/1892
Lucy Florence Daubeney 17/1/1896 - died age 37 of TB
Ethel Irene Daubeney 1/12/1897 - 30/11/1898
Lily Winifred Daubeney 15/1/1900
Victor Robert 29/11/1901
Albert Edward 20/11/1907- 20/12/1912 - died of Diphtheria in Plaistow Fever Hospital
Rita Madeline 4/11/1911
They lived at 18 Glenparke Road and moved to 18 Chaucer Road
I

Irene - yes, that's a lady who made contact with me and it was she who told me Ernest was Robert's brother.

Her and I are in touch from time to time and she's still got no further, either.

Got to go for a while ... back later.

One more eastender Daubney - in 1901:

Name: William Daubney
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation: Son-in-Law
> Where born: Mile End, London, England

Civil Parish: Barking
County/Island: Essex

Walter Nash 52
Ellen Nash 48
Rosina Nicholls 28 (daughter)
Annie Daubney 21 (daughter)
Charles Nicholls 30 (son-in-law)
William Daubney 25 (son-in-law)
Hilda Nicholls 11 Months
Florence Daubney 2
James Johnson 40 - boarders on down
Arthur Fennell 22
William Drury 20
Walter Dodd 17

A real one:

Births Mar 1876
Daubney William Avis Mile End Old Town 1c 562

1881, no find; 1891:

Name: William Daubney
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Stepney, London, England

Civil Parish: Whitechapel

George Cecil 25
Caroline Cecil 21
George Cecil 3
Caroline A Cecil 2
Alfred E Cecil 10/12
William Daubney 15

Marriages Jun 1897
Daubney William Avis Billericay 4a 694
Laurie Ethel Marian Billericay 4a 694
Nash Annie Louisa Billericay 4a 694


It could be interesting to check out the particulars on his birth and marriage certificates, because a Daub*ney in the east end is ... and you're going to have to prepare yourself, and forgive me ... a




















rara Avis








indeed.


Stop me, I'm going to kill myself laughing here.

Howdaya like that for white space?

Rara avis | Define Rara avis at Dictionary.com
"strange bird,"
from rara, fem. of rarus "rare" + avis "bird."
Latin pl. is raræ aves

Y'know what we do have a few of in Essex, I've finally got around to looking into, is Dobney-s. Plain old grey Dobbin Dobney-s.

A non-native bird here, but an interesting occupation, in 1871:

Name: John Dobney
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Soldier
Where born: Quinborough, Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: Little Warley
Town: Little Warley
County/Island: Essex
Registration district: Billericay
Sub-registration district: Brentwood
ED, institution, or vessel: Depot Foot Guards Barracks

only a thin smattering of BMDs in Essex, though, none at the right time / with the right names.

I'd have offered you a Drucilla Dobney mother and daughter in Stratford, but I believe that name is actually Debney. Or something.

MC - this maybe worth a look - it is submitted but could give some pointers 

This is an extract from 
The Hawker Family Tree - they have details on Jane Coldricks parentage 

Robert Tait DAUBENEY  was born in 1865. He died in Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Nbl, Eng. He married Jane COLDRICK on 19 Jun 1889 in Colchester, Ess, Eng.

Jane COLDRICK was born on 25 May 1868 in Newent, Gls, Eng. She died in Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Nbl, Eng. She married Robert Tait DAUBENEY on 19 Jun 1889 in Colchester, Ess, Eng.

They had the following children:

 M i Robert Tait DAUBENEY.

He had the following children:

 M i Robert Tait DAUBENEY was born in 1865.
 M ii Ernest DAUBENEY.

Edit :::
Sorry but do not understand the last two entries - they appear to replicate Robert Tait Daubeney 

Renes

Renes.
That would make Alice 10/11 when Robert was born?