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Thank you Ann for the extra notes.

I have a copy of the marriage certificate, but interestingly at the top it just says they married in'the parish church, Liverpool'.... so it's good to have the church's name, ... Thank you.

Gwyn

Thank you Maureen.

I was hoping that someone else would agree that there are just too many coincidences in the information.

I'll add that information to my notes now...........

Many thanks

Gwyn

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Name: Mary E Gorman
Age (Original): 15
Gender: Female
Birth Year: 1866
Birthplace: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Dressmaker (Apprentice)
Address: 24 Norton St
Event Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Record Type: Household
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 3628 / 126
Page Number: 2
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
James Gorman Head M 49 Ireland
Mary A Gorman Wife F 42 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John T Gorman Son M 18 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Gorman Daughter F 16 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Mary E Gorman Daughter F 15 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
James Gorman Son M 11 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Winifred Gorman Daughter F 9 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Joseph Gorman Son M 7 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Mark Gorman Son M 5 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Mary A Gorman Daughter F 3 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Ellen Devine Servant F 24 Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Name: Daniel Granville Belchamber
Birth Date: 1850
Age: 58
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Ann O'Gorman
Spouse's Birth Date: 1866
Spouse's Age: 42
Event Date: 31 Mar 1908
Event Place: St. Peter'S Church, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father's Name: William Belchamber
Spouse's Father's Name: Charles Mullen
Marital Status: Widowed
Spouse's Marital Status: Widowed
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01973-5 ,

Name: Eliza O Gorman
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Female
Age: 42
Birthplace: Kirkdale Liverpool, Lancashire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: West Derby
Sub-District: Bootle
Parish: Bootle Cum Linacre
County: Lancashire

Yes,I'd say so. :-)

Thank you Ann for all the look-ups.
Most of the people are known to me and the Daniel marrying Mary GALE is the same one who married Elizabeth 'up north' as Daniel Granville BELCHAMBER.

Thank you rootgatherer for finding him in October 1911. He was 71 by then, but having lied at marriage, I guess he had to keep working.He was still on board a ship when he died in 1915.


As I never have him in a census with Elizabeth, it is difficult to determine the way of their relationship after marriage, that's why I wondered about Eliza, but she is showing as O'GORMAN.

When he died his home address was 53 Orlando Street, informant his widow E.A. BELCHAMBER and when she died, -as Elizabeth Ann BELCHAMBER that was her home address too, registered by her son, C.O'GORMAN of same address.

Daniel and Elizabeth married in 'the parish church', but I've been told that Elizabeth is buried in the Roman Catholic area of a cemetery.

so

Is Eliza O'GORMAN ( 1911 census ) the same person as Elizabeth Ann BELCHAMBER (married to Daniel ) nee Elizabeth Ann MULLEN.....?

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nice pictures on this one

By 1861 the Belchamber family had gone and the cottage was


www.mjfh1.demon.co.uk/walnuttreecottage.html

The story of Walnut Tree Cottage, Goring by Sea, Sussex: occupants, land-owners, inside the cottage and some memories. Prepared by Michael Harrison.

Belchamber Coat of Arms and History - House of Names


www.houseofnames.com/belchamber-coat-of-arms

Spelling variations of this family name include: Bellchamber, Belchamber, Bellchambers, Belchambers, ... Mercia, Wessex, Kent, Essex, Sussex and East Anglia,

Henry BELLCHAMBER M 54 M Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Boatswain (Officer

HMS St. Vincent 1881 - Angelfire


www.angelfire.com/de/BobSanders/HMSStVincent81.html

... Sussex, England Ship Stewd Boy William T. GOSS U 18 M Romsey, ... England Able Seaman Henry BELLCHAMBER M 54 M Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Boatswain

Deed Poll of grant Add Mss 44815 17 February 1637/8


Contents:
(a) John Strudwick of Lurgashall, butcher, and Elizabeth his wife
John Bellchamber of Northchapel, yeo., and Alice his wife
(b) Alice Strudwicke, daughter of Thomas Strudwicke of Wisborough Green, butcher, and Alice his wife
All right and interest in cottage at Betelisham, in Lurgashall, in the occupation of Joseph Smythe, gent., and also the garden adjoining (½r.) adjoining Ebernoe Common
To (b) after the death of John Strudwick and Elizabeth his wife and the longest liver
With remainder, for lack of heirs of (b), to Thomas Strudwick her brother and his heirs, then to William Strudwick her brother and his heirs
Witnesses: Robert Hollinwood, Ralph Browne



The National Archives | Access to Archives


www.nationalarchives.gov.uk › … › Access to Archives

John Bellchamber of Northchapel, yeo., and Alice his wife (b) Alice Strudwicke, ... Includes a newspaper article from the Sussex Daily News on the hospital,

Nicholas Belchamber 1570


Nicholas Belchamber (see the chart below) was born about 1570 and married Jonne Adames on 29 June 1600 at Lancing, Sussex. Nicholas and Jonne are likely to have started the Chichester line of the Belchambers, parenting Cristopher Belchamber b. abt 1601, William Belchamber b. abt 1602 and Nicholas Belchamber b. abt 1606 - all of whom married in Chichester.

William Belchamber b. abt 1800 Lindfield, Sussex m. 11 Aug 1823 Lyminster, Sussex
Spouse:
Elizabeth


all the Bellchamber info you could ever need on this site

sussex belchambers - blogspot.com


www.sussexbelchambers.blogspot.com

Connecting the Belchambers of Sussex from Henry VIII to George III - a combined genealogy of Belchamber and Bellchamber families from 45 Sussex parishes.>

This might explain why he is not on the 1911 census?

Name: Daniel Belchamber
Port of Departure: River Plate, South America
Arrival Date: 22 Oct 1911
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: La Plata
Ship Name: Highland Warrior
Search Ship Database: View the 'Highland Warrior' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Nelson Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 132595

Occupation given as Mariner, travelling 2nd. Class

Name: Daniel Belchamber
Spouse's Name: Mary Gale
Event Date: 30 May 1867
Event Place: Leominster, Sussex, England
Father's Name: William Belchamber
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Gale
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03957-4 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1041551 , Reference ID: item 2-3 p100 rn200

Name: Joseph Wheeler
Birth Date: 1826
Age: 30
Spouse's Name: Mary Belchamber
Spouse's Birth Date: 1835
Spouse's Age: 21
Event Date: 24 Feb 1856
Event Place: Leominster, Sussex, England
Father's Name: Charles Wheeler
Spouse's Father's Name: William Belchamber
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03957-4 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1041551 , Reference ID: item 2-3 124

Name: Mary Belchamber
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 27 Jun 1834
Christening Place: LYMINSTER,SUSSEX,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 25 Jun 1834
Father's Name: William Belchamber
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C07079-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 0416749, 0918466

Name: Henry Belchamber
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 11 Apr 1875
Christening Place: Littlehampton, Sussex, England
Father's Name: William Belchamber
Mother's Name: Ann Elizabeth Belchamber
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02016-6 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 2147087 , Reference ID: item 18-20 p 160

Name: Ede Belchamber
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 20 Aug 1837
Christening Place: Leominster, Sussex, England
Father's Name: William Belchamber
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03957-4 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1041551 , Reference ID: item 2-3 p77 rn612

Name: Harriet Belchamber
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 20 Aug 1837
Christening Place: Leominster, Sussex, England
Father's Name: William Belchamber
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03957-4 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1041551 , Reference ID: item 2-3 p77 rn612

Name: William Belchamber
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 09 Jan 1843
Christening Place: Leominster, Sussex, England
Father's Name: William Belchamber
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03957-4 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1041551 , Reference ID: item 2-3 p96 rn765