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Here's the likely marriage Elaine if it helps -

Marriages Mar 1939
Cole Ernest Speake Pancras 1b 81
Speak Eva M Cole Pancras 1b 81
Speake Eva M Cole Pancras 1b 81

Elaine - it may be better to start your own thread if you are seeking help.

The marriage certificate for Eva Maud Speake will give Mr Cole's name and occupation and also that of his father.

Hello John,I hope you dont mind me asking I ahve just seen your request and i am researching my tree regarding an Eva Maud Speake who married a Cole.She was born in Marylebone area 1917 and died 2008.Her parents were Emily Williams and Walter Speake. I wonder could a Mr Cole have come from Marylebone area as well
Elaine

You're welcome John. Please let us know if the certificates are successful.

Thank you to everyone for your help with this. I have now requested copies of Arthurs marriage cert and Edward Williams birth cert and I think I will also send for a copy of Arthurs death cert to see why he died so young. My father never mentioned any of this so it is a fascinating discovery. Best wishes, John

He is sending for a couple of certificates Maureen, so hope they help.

Perhaps he's finding it all a bit confusing Margaret :)

Oops - just checked my in box and yes, he was finding it confusing. I hope my explanation helps.

Thank you! I'm not sure if my posts are being read by John.

Maureen

Yes John but if you look above you will see that our theory is that Arthur died in March 1876, after his marriage to Eliza Elizabeth and she then married Thomas McConnell in 1877. So Arthur would be Edwards father and deceased when he married.

That would also explain why you can't find Edward with both parents on a census. If his father married his mother and died between census.

I have not found Edward with his parents on any census. The only recoed I have for him is the 1891 census when he is with his sister Eliza but I dont know about the Eliza McConnell being their mother. On Edward Williams marriage cert in 1891 the father is Arthur Cole deceased ( sculptor ) so I am confident I have the right Arthur.

Christine / Maureen

Well done that all looks very hopeful! If Arthur got married and died between 1871 and 1881 then he wouldn't appear on any census with Edward.

Great work Ladies!

I have know idea how I went wrong on the 1881 before! Here's the family:
1881
Name: Edward Connell
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas M.
Mother's Name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Kensal Town
Civil parish: Chelsea
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 8 Adela Ter
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea, North-East
ED, institution, or vessel: 16c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas M. Connell 28
Eliza Connell 27
Edward Connell 9
Eliza Connell 8
Gertrude Connell 3
Elizabeth Connell 1
Florence Connell
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 90; Folio: 65; Page: 8; GSU roll: 1341020.

So Edward and sister Eliza are under their step father's name.

Maureen

Edit: I'm leaving my "know idea" on here. Sweet fancy Moses-what was I thinking????

Thanks Rootgather I have a copy of this census record.

I have no idea about this:

Marriages Sep 1871 (>99%)
Cole Arthur Kensington 1a 134
THURTEL (I have my doubts as to that name) Eliza Elizabeth Kensington 1a 134


Marriages Sep 1877 (>99%)
Cole Eliza Elizabeth Kensington 1a 66
McConnell Thomas Kensington 1a 66
(same couple,I think,that Edward and Eliza are with in 1891. I tried Eliza on the 1881,but only the McConnell children are with her.)

Maureen

It does sound likely to be true rootgatherer as Arthurs father was a stone mason.

This looks like the most likely birth for Edward? Might be worth getting the birth cert to check father. If it's the right one it would give you the mother.
Chelsea covers Chelsea Kensal Town

Births Jun 1872
COLE Edward William Chelsea 1a 282

Have you found Edward with his parents on the 1881 census please? I just can't see him with a sister Eliza (assuming that 1891 census is your Edward).

Do you have Edward's birth certificate please? Is edward's marriage certificate the only documentation that you have showing his father as Arthur? If so remember that the information is only what Edward wanted on the certificate! So I am assuming that as you give no christian name for Arthur's wife on your opening post, that you don't have it. How can you be sure that Edward's father's name was Arthur please?

I wonder if this is Arthur's death? -

Deaths Mar 1876
COLE Arthur 27 Chelsea 1a 232

For Ref - Your Edward before his marriage? Looks like he has a sister Eliza?

Name: Edward Cole
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Kensal Green, London, England

Civil parish: Hammersmith
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: St Paul Hammersmith
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas McConnell 38
Eliza McConnell 38
Gertrude McConnell 13
Lizzie McConnell 11
Thomas McConnell 8
Florence McConnell 6
Maud McConnell 3
Herbert McConnell 1
Edward Cole 18
Eliza Cole 17

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 41; Folio 190A; Page 34; GSU roll: 6095151.

Christine yes he lived he's my great grandfather