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27 Aug 2021 09:14 |
Looking to see if there are any more Dipper relatives -
George's death:
George E Dipper in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: George E Dipper Death Age: 77 Birth Date: abt 1874 Registration Date: Oct 1951[Nov 1951] [Dec 1951] Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration District: Winchester Inferred County: Hampshire Volume: 6b Page: 649
George with first wife Annie in 1901 - I see there was another child, Bessie:
George Dipper in the 1901 England Census Name: George Dipper Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875 Relation to Head: Son Gender: Male Spouse: Annie Dipper Father: Lydia Dipper Birth Place: Fratton, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: Weeke Within Ecclesiastical parish: Weeke St Mary County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street Address: Registration District: Winchester Sub-registration District: Winchester ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: Piece: 1082 Folio: 120 Page Number: 29 Household Schedule Number: 203 Household Members: Name Age Lydia Dipper 58 Thomas Dipper 16 - son George Dipper 26 - son Annie Dipper 31 - daughter-in-law Bessie Dipper 4 - grand-daughter Ethel Dipper 2 - grand-daughter
Bessie's birth:
DIPPER, BESSIE FLORENCE mmn VENTHAM GRO Reference: 1897 M Quarter in WINCHESTER Volume 02C Page 139
1911:
Bessie Florence Dipper in the 1911 England Census Name: Bessie Florence Dipper Age in 1911: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897 Relation to Head: Servant Gender: Female Birth Place: Winchester, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: Winchester Street Address: 11 College Street, Winchester, Hants Marital status: Single Occupation: General Servant Domestic Registration District Number: 103 Sub-registration District: Winchester ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Piece: 6124 Household Members: Name Age Philip Edward Wells 52 Annie Wells 50 Philip Wells 22 Bessie Florence Dipper 14
Her marriage:
Bessie F Dipper in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005 Name: Bessie F Dipper Registration Date: Apr 1929 [May 1929] [Jun 1929] Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration District: Hendon Inferred County: Middlesex Spouse: William L Maynard Volume Number: 3a Page Number: 855
However, she and William don't seem to have had any children.
1939 Register:
Bessie F Maynard in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Bessie F Maynard Gender: Female Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 14 Feb 1897 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 29 Residence Place: Wembley, Middlesex, England Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Line Number: 28 Schedule Number: 166 Sub Schedule Number: 2 Enumeration District: BWDY Borough: Wembley Registration district: 130/1 Inferred Spouse: William L Maynard Household Members Age William L Maynard 62 Bessie F Maynard 42 Edward R Thomas 24 [ he'll just be a lodger ]
Bessie's death:
Bessie Florence Maynard in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Bessie Florence Maynard Death Age: 83 Birth Date: 14 Feb 1897 Registration Date: Jul 1980[Aug 1980] [Sep 1980] Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration District: Brent Inferred County: Greater London Volume: 11 Page: 0469
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27 Aug 2021 09:24 |
Going back to George:
The 1901 census posted above shows that he had a brother Thomas. He also had other siblings.
George's birth:
DIPPER, GEORGE EDWARD mmn HOLDAWAY GRO Reference: 1874 M Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 465
This might be Thomas's birth, though there's no mmn given, so maybe not:
DIPPER, JOHN THOMAS - GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in STOCKBRIDGE Volume 02C Page 95
Other siblings:
DIPPER, WILLIAM HENRY mmn HOLDAWAY GRO Reference: 1872 S Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 487
DIPPER, BESSIE HOLDAWAY mmn HOLDAWAY GRO Reference: 1877 M Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 519
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27 Aug 2021 09:33 |
George, William and Bessie with an aunt and uncle in 1881:
George Dipper in the 1881 England Census Name: George Dipper Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874 Relationship to Head: Nephew Gender: Male Where born: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: Kings Somborne County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street Address: Village Principle St Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Scholar Registration District: Stockbridge ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: Piece: 1228 Folio: 30 Page Number: 29 Household Members: Name Age William Brown 42 Elizabeth Brown 42 William Dipper 8 - nephew George Dipper 7 - nephew Bessy Dipper 4 - neice Albert Holdaway 3 - son-in-law [ i.e. - stepson ]
Elizabeth's maiden name was Holdaway:
Elizabeth Holdaway in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name: Elizabeth Holdaway Registration Year: 1879 Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration District: Stockbridge Inferred County: Hampshire Volume: 2c Page: 172a Records on Page: Name William Brown Elizabeth Holdaway
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27 Aug 2021 09:46 |
George and siblings with mother Lydia in 1891:
Bessie Dipper in the 1891 England Census Name: Bessie Dipper Gender: Female Age: 14 Relationship: Daughter Birth Year: 1877 Mother: Lydia Dipper Birth Place: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: Weeke Ecclesiastical parish: Weeke Residence Place: Weeke, Hampshire, England Registration District: Winchester Sub registration district: Winchester ED, Institution or Vessel: 3 Neighbors: Piece: 936 Folio: 67 Household Members: Name Age Lydia Dipper 45 William Dipper 18 George Dipper 16 Bessie Dipper 14 Thomas Dipper 6
I don't see Lydia's marriage to a Dipper.
I don't see any later mention of George's sister Bessie, unless this is her in 1928:
MS [ MISS on image ] Bessie Dipper in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 Name: MS Bessie Dipper Electoral Date: 1928 Street Address: 17 Danehurst Street Ward or Division/Constituency: Fulham East and West County or Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham, England
She's at the same address in 1929, with a Miss Florence Bessie Dipper, who could be George's daughter Bessie Florence, and who married in Middlesex, as already posted.
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27 Aug 2021 09:52 |
This looks like George's sister Bessie emigrating (though she must have come back again, if she was in London in1928) :
Bessy Dipper in the New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957 Name: Bessy Dipper Gender: Female Ethnicity/ Nationality: English Age: 16 Birth Date: abt 1877 Departure Port: Southampton, England Arrival Date: 20 Jan 1893 Arrival Port: New York, New York, USA Ship Name: Aller
Last residence: Winchester. Occupation: "Rev Baker's maid".
Rev Walter Baker of Winchester is listed higher up the page.
They're heading for Cincinnati.
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27 Aug 2021 12:14 |
Back to George's brothers.
Possibly John Thomas 1885 (known as Thomas in 1891 and 1901) - age a few years out?? Even though the records below give a variety of DOBs, I don't see any other feasible matching birth.
Thomas John Dipper in the Dorset, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921 Name: Thomas John Dipper Gender: Male Marriage Age: 30 Birth Year: abt 1879 Marriage Date: 18 Oct 1909 Marriage Place: Kingston, Dorset, England Father: William Henry Dipper Spouse: Eliza Alice Cook
The father's name of William Henry Dipper is interesting - that's the same as his brother's name.
Thomas Dipper in the 1911 England Census Name: Thomas Dipper Age in 1911: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Kings Somborne, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: Winchester Country: England Street Address: 18 Elm Road, Winchester Marital status: Married Occupation: House Painter Registration District Number: 103 Sub-registration District: Winchester ED, institution, or vessel: 07 Piece: 6120 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Dipper 31 Alice Dipper 40 Florence Cook 14 - step-daughter
Thomas John Dipper in the UK, World War I Service Medal and Award Rolls, 1914-1920 Name: Thomas John Dipper Military Year: 1914-1920 Rank: Private Company: WO 329 Regiment or Corps: Hampshire Regiment Regiment Number: 25238 Medal Awarded: British War Medal and Victory Medal
Thomas John Dipper in the UK, British Army World War I Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 Name: Thomas John Dipper Regiment or Corps: Hampshire Regiment Regimental Number: 25238 Enlisted 11/12/1915. Discharged: 14/12/1918
Thomas J Dipper in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Thomas J Dipper Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 10 Dec 1880 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 18 Elm Road Residence Place: Winchester, Hampshire, England Occupation: Painter Decorator & Water Fitter Line Number: 15 Schedule Number: 98 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: EDVH Borough: Winchester Household Members Age Thomas J Dipper 59 Eliza A Dyper 71 [ Dipper on image ]
His death??
Thomas J Dipper in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Thomas J Dipper Death Age: 73 Birth Date: abt 1883 Registration Date: Oct 1956[Nov 1956] [Dec 1956] Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration District: Winchester Inferred County: Hampshire Volume: 6b Page: 707
Thomas John Dopper [ Dipper on image ] in the England & Scotland, Select Cemetery Registers, 1800-2016 Name: Thomas John Dopper Age: 73 Record Type: Burial Birth Date: abt 1883 Death Date: abt 1956 Burial Date: 5 Dec 1956 Burial Place: Winchester, Hampshire, England Cemetery Section: D Con Grave Number: P1/152 Interment Number: 7110 Cemetery Notes: Consecrated
Abode, and place of death: 18 Elm Road, Winchester
The step-daughter Florence's birth:
COOK, FLORENCE MAY mmn COOPER GRO Reference: 1896 S Quarter in HORSHAM Volume 02B Page 309
However, I don't see any Dipper/Cooper births, so it looks as if Thomas didn't have any children. Another dead end as far as potential living relatives go.
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27 Aug 2021 16:24 |
George's other brother, William Henry 1872 -
His birth already posted, also 1881 and 1891 censuses.
His baptism:
William Henry Dipper in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: William Henry Dipper Gender: Male Baptism Date: 3 Nov 1872 Baptism Place: Saint Marys,Portsea,Hampshire,England Father: Henry Dipper Mother: Lydia FHL Film Number: 919743
Marriage:
William Henry Dipper in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name: William Henry Dipper Registration Year: 1898 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration District: Winchester Inferred County: Hampshire Volume: 2c Page: 238 Records on Page: Name William Henry Dipper Florence Sarah Trew
William H Dipper in the 1901 England Census Name: William H Dipper Age: 27 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Florence S Dipper Birth Place: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: Weeke Within Ecclesiastical parish: Weeke St Mary County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Registration District: Winchester Sub-registration District: Winchester ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: Piece: 1082 Folio: 148 Page Number: 31 Household Schedule Number: 220 Household Members: Name Age William H Dipper 27 Florence S Dipper 27 Albert E Dipper 1/12 James Large 21 - boarder
William Henry Dipper in the 1911 England Census Name: William Henry Dipper Age in 1911: 38 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: Winchester Country: England Street Address: 63 Lower Stockbridge Road, Winchester Marital status: Married Occupation: Drapers Porter Registration District Number: 103 Sub-registration District: Winchester ED, institution, or vessel: 06 Piece: 6119 Household Members: Name Age William Henry Dipper 38 Florence Sarah Dipper 38 Albert Edwin Dipper 10 Cyrel Frank Dipper 9 Alice Florence Maud Dipper 5
William H Dipper in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: William H Dipper Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 25 Aug 1872 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 136 Stockbridge Road Residence Place: Winchester, Hampshire, England Occupation: Draper's Porter Line Number: 24 Schedule Number: 54 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: EDVJ Borough: Winchester Registration district: 101/1 Inferred Spouse: Florence S Dipper Household Members Age William H Dipper 67 Florence S Dipper 66 Albert Pomeroy 66
William H Dipper in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: William H Dipper Death Age: 78 Birth Date: abt 1872 Registration Date: Oct 1950[Nov 1950] [Dec 1950] Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration District: Winchester Inferred County: Hampshire Volume: 6b Page: 725
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27 Aug 2021 17:29 |
William Henry's children:
DIPPER, ALBERT EDWIN TREW GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in WINCHESTER Volume 02C Page 132
DIPPER, EDWARD HORACE TREW GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in WINCHESTER Volume 02C Page 132
DIPPER, WILLIAM FREDERICK TREW GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in WINCHESTER Volume 02C Page 121
DIPPER, CYRIL FRANK TREW GRO Reference: 1902 D Quarter in WINCHESTER Volume 02C Page 128
DIPPER, ALICE FLORENCE MAUD TREW GRO Reference: 1905 D Quarter in WINCHESTER Volume 02C Page 134
Edward and William Frederick died in infancy:
Deaths Mar 1901 (>99%) DIPPER Edward H 0 Winchester 2c 91
Deaths Mar 1900 (>99%) Dipper William F 0 Winchester 2c 107
Albert's marriage:
Albert E Dipper in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005 Name: Albert E Dipper Registration Date: Jul 1927[Aug 1927] [Sep 1927] Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration District: Winchester Inferred County: Hampshire Spouse: Eleanor Barrett Volume Number: 2c Page Number: 333
Albert E Dipper in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Albert E Dipper Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 12 Feb 1901 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 18 Residence Place: Southampton, Hampshire, England Occupation: Bread Baker Line Number: 18 Schedule Number: 48 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: ECDB Borough: Southampton Registration district: 99-1 Inferred Spouse: Eleanor Dipper Inferred Children: Irene F Dipper Raymond Albert Dipper Household Members Age Albert E Dipper 38 Eleanor Dipper 46 Irene F Dipper 11 This record is officially closed. Raymond Albert Dipper 18 [ Albert Raymond at birth ]
Albert and Eleanor had two other children - John H in 1935, and Reginald William Thomas in 1930.
Reginald married in in Winchester 1957, and died in 2009:
Mr Reginald William Thomas Dipper in the England and Wales, Death Index, 1989-2019 Name: Mr Reginald William Thomas Dipper Gender: Male Age: 79 Birth Date: 1930 Last Residence: Winchester, Hampshire, England Postal Code District: So23 Death Date: 11 Feb 2009
His wife may still be living, but I don't see her on Electoral Rolls. They had three sons, born in Winchester.
I've PM'd you the names of Reginald's sons, and the address of one of them.
To remind you - Reginald Dipper was a son of Albert Dipper, who was a son of William Henry Dipper, who was a brother of George Dipper, who was Elsie's father.
However, unless they are into family tree research, it seem unlikely that Reginald's sons will know anything about their great-grandfather's niece Elsie.
I haven't investigated Albert's siblings, nor Reginald's siblings , to see if they had children or not.
I haven't investigated the Manns side of your family for living relatives.
You don't seem to have any direct living relatives descended from George Dipper (Elsie's father) . George's brother William Henry seems to be the only one of George's siblings to have had children.
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