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hi stephen
i think this is a old post look at the date it says 2010

click on the name and send her a message

lorraine

I have a Richard Morris Griffiths born 1873 Llanrwst Denbighshire, he married 1900 Alsager, Cheshire, Sarah Ann Dale born 08/11/1878 Alsager Cheshire. They definitely had 5 children all born at Crewe, Cheshire: Walter Morris Griffiths20/12/1900-1975, Stanley Llewellyn Griffiths 29/04/1902-1978, Clarence Griffiths 03/07/1904-1990, Vera Griffiths 1908, Eric Thomas 1910-1928. There are possibly 4 other children Cyril J Griffiths 1918 Cheshire, Reginald V. K. Griffiths 1919 Cheshire, Kenneth Griffiths 1922 Cheshire and Hermione Griffiths 1924 Cheshire. Richard Morris Griffiths died 1951 Cheshire and his wife died in 1957 Cheshire. It is possible that Richard Morris Griffith's father was Robert D Griffiths and his wife was Harriet. Richard was a railway engine fireman. Sarah Ann Dale's parents were Thomas Dale and Margaret Hollinshead.

Hi Sylvia, I'm afraid I have confused everyone by getting grandfathers mixed up. My paternal grandfather was Brynley Thomas Roberts, my maternal grandfather was Richard Morris Griffiths. Because he was married to a Mary Jane Roberts, no relation to Brynley, andmy mother who was a Griffiths married John Victor Raymond Roberts who was Rober tRoberts Grandson, and I wasn'twell when I posted it all, I have confused everyone. My deepest apologies.

Thank you very much for clearing up my Gt. Grandfather's details. I am very grateful.

No, Ione

we are not related.


I am one of the many GR members who help other members by finding information


We call ourselves the helpers

we almost all have the Standard membership in GR, plus subscriptions to other sites ..... and enjoy looking up things, finding facts, and helping


it isn't GR that does the searching on thse boards, it's other members!




Now that we have cleared that up


can you please tell us if ANYTHING that we found the other night is helpful, or belongs to your family


we were searching under a handicap in that you said Richard Morris Griffiths was the son of Robert Roberts ..... which was not the case.


are you now looking for Richard Morris Griffiths ONLY, or what??





sylvia

hi sylvia, this is Ione Holbourne. I am Robert Roberts great granddaughter. My grandfather was Brynley Thomas Roberts his son, who became a Teacher. a Baptist Minister and eventually Mayor of Cowbridge in Glamorgan. His son John Victor Raymond Roberts was my Father. Are we related

Cannot see Richard Morris Griffiths in 1911 as a butcher.
Who and when did he marry?
Thanks

Births Sep 1876
GRIFFITHS Richard Morris Pontypridd 11a 358
not:
Births Dec 1876
GRIFFITHS Richard Morris Swansea 11a 703?

Ione

Please please reply on the thread, so that we can ALL read the information

to do this, scroll up towards the top, just under the title of the thread is a purple box with white lettering Reply

Click on that, type your message in the box, then click Submit





Meanwhile ........ do I gather correctly, we have been looking for a Richard Morris Griffiths, SON of Robert Roberts as you said in your header message


BUT in fact, Robert Roberts and Richard Morris Griffiths are YOUR two grandfathers


ie NOT related???????????????





sylvia

Message received:
My maternal grandfather was Richard Morris Griffiths born 7.7.1876. he was one of about seven children, there was a Thomas, Charles and Selina I know of. Born in Merthyr, he became a Butcher

My paternal grandfather was Brynley Thomas Roberts, born 12.11.1872 in Monmouthshire. He became a Baptist Minister and eventuallyMayor of Cowbridge. His Father was Robert Roberts who at one time was the youngest station master in the country at Abercarn Station in Monmouthshire.

Maybe Ione could give us a few dates, so we do not spend any more time guessing, as Cardiff, Festiniogg and Aberystwyth gives us a tour of Wales.
And no obvious Richard Morris Griffiths showing in 1911, as I had already looked.
Edith is a different Roberts daughter in 1911(as she and Sydney are living with her parents)

Nothing else on 1911:
ROBERTS, Robert Head Widower M 67 1844 Retired Station Master Monmouthshire Newbridge
PHILLIPS, Susanah Housekeeper Single F 42 1869 Housekeeper Domestic Monmouthshire Risca
RG number: RG14 Piece: 32018 Reference: RG14PN32018 RG78PN1841 RD587 SD3 ED19 SN321
Registration District: Newport Sub District: Rogerstone Enumeration District: 19 Parish: Risca Address: 16 Station Road Risca Mon County: Monmouthshire

yes


not an unusual name!!



sylvia

Just updated above.

Ozi

oo'er


what was her relationship to the family????


EDIT:- servant

The other 3 are lodgers




sylvia

Hmmmm, look at this.

1851 Wales Census
Name: Robert Roberts
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Mynyddisllwyn, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Mynyddyslwyn
Ecclesiastical parish: Penmain
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: Heol-y-Felin, Newbridge

Occupation: scholar

Registration district: Newport
Sub-registration district: St Woollos
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Roberts 45 - Coal Tipper
Ann Roberts 31
Robert Roberts 7
Margaret Griffiths 13 servant <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
William Williams 23 - lodger
Thomas Lawrence 20 - lodger
Robert Evans 17 - lodger

Although there must be plenty of Griffiths about!!!

Hi Ozi

Yep, I think that is him in 1871, with wife Mary Ann and child Edith Ann ..... fits in with the 1881



but I cannot find a connection between Robert Roberts and this Richard Morris


see my last posting above!




sylvia

1861 Wales Census
Name: Robert Roberts
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Newbridge, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Mynyddyslwyn
Ecclesiastical parish: Penmain
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: Newbridge Brook Row

Occupation: Railway Porter

Registration district: Newport
Sub-registration district: Mynyddyslwyn
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Roberts 50 - Coal Tipper; Llanfigail, Anglesey
Ann Roberts 45 - Llanddyfnan, Anglesey
Robert Roberts 17

1881 Census

Name: Robert Roberts
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Mynyddislwyn, Monmouth, Wales

Civil parish: Mynyddyslwyn
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: Station Cottage
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Ry Station Master

Registration district: Newport
Sub-registration district: Mynyddyslwyn

Robert Roberts 38
Mary Ann Roberts 33
Edith Annie Roberts 10
Brinley Thos. Roberts 8
Hannah Rogers 18


I'm fiddling aorund wondering if


a) Richard Morris was the illegitimate son of Robert Roberts

OR

2) if Richard Morris was really the grandson of Robert Roberts ....... ie, Ione has got her generations worng



But I'm going to give up


everything's too nebulous


If only she had stayed around for 2 more minutes!!!!!



sylvia

???
1871 Wales Census
Name: Robert Roberts
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Newbridge, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil parish: Llanhilleth
Ecclesiastical parish: Llanhilleth
Town: Aberbeeg
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Occupation: Station master <<<<<

Registration district: Pontypool
Sub-registration district: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Household schedule number: 83
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Roberts 27
Mary Ann Roberts 22
Edith Ann Roberts 6 months
William Thomas 20

It looks as though Susannah is still housekeeper for Robert Roberts in 1911

from the free search ....... someone else may be able to look at the actual image


1911 Census

HOUSEHOLD ROBERTS ROBERT M 1844 67 Newport Monmouthshire
HOUSEHOLD PHILLIPS SUSANAH F 1869 42 Newport Monmouthshire





sylvia