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i havent had any luck still with this line and wondered if someone else could look and advise me.

Thank you.

Tina

n

Hi again,

thank you again for this info, i will check them out.

I didnt realise the ages were rounded down to nearest 5,

Learnt something new today again!!!

thank you

Tina

Wondering if any of these are related to your Simon?

No Surname Forename Date Description Type Court Reference

1 BATHGATE SIMON 21/09/1825 CANDLEMAKER IN EDINBURGH INVENTORY EDINBURGH SHERIFF COURT INVENTORIES SC70/1/33
2 BATHGATE SIMEON 28/01/1873 ENGINEER, MILLWRIGHT AND MACHINE MAKER IN SELKIRK TRUST DEED AND SETTLEMENT; INVENTORY; CONFIRMED TESTAMENT TESTAMENTAR SELKIRK SHERIFF COURT SC63/34/11
3 BATHGATE SIMON 21/09/1825 CANDLEMAKER IN EDINBURGH TD EDINBURGH COMMISSARY COURT CC8/8/150


EDIT

Tina, remember that ages of adults were rounded down to multiples of 5 years in the 1841 census. So someone whose age was given as 40 could have been born between 1797 and 1801.

n

Hi,

iam not sure if the 1st simon is him, as his estimated birth date on the 1841 census was age 40, so he would have been born about 1800.

I will look into the bottom simon ( simons father) as he is estimated to be born about 1807 and may have married Agnes as his second wife ( Maybe????).

Thank you again for taking your time to look into this for me.

Regards Tina

I am sure that you will collide with many more brickwalls before you are done! It took me 17 years to verify that I had the correct family for my husband's grandfather - he had a fairly common Scottish name and was illegitimate and he made up a father's name on his first marriage entry! The one thing you do learn from researching is patience.

I wonder if this could be the Simon on the NAS records?

1871 census

Name: Simon Bathgate
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relationship: Brother-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Shie, Edinburgh
Registration Number: 681
Registration district: Crichton
Civil parish: Crichton
County: Midlothian
Address: Currie Ca
Occupation: Plough Man
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 73
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1871_154
Household Members: Name Age
George Somerville 37
Janet Somerville 36 b. Landos, Berwickshire
Agnes Somerville 14
Helen Somerville 11
Margaret Somerville 8
Refael A Somerville 5
Janet Somerville 4
William Bryden 2
Simon Bathgate 42
James Scott 45

Source Citation: Parish: Crichton; ED: 2; Page: 13; Line: 8; Roll CSSCT1871_154; Year: 1871.

1861

Name: Simon Bathgate
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Simon
Mother's Name: Agnes
Gender: Male
Where born: Lauder, Berwickshire
Registration Number: 681
Registration district: Crichton
Civil parish: Crichton
County: Midlothian
Address: Curylea
Occupation: Farmers Son
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 105
Line: 3
Roll: CSSCT1861_122
Household Members: Name Age
Simon Bathgate 54
Agnes Bathgate 60
Simon Bathgate 31
Margret Bathgate 22
Agnes Bathgate 19
Agnes Somerville 4
John Ovens 24
Abner Ovens 22
John Watt 25

Source Citation: Parish: Crichton; ED: 2; Page: 20; Line: 3; Roll CSSCT1861_122; Year: 1861.

Details for father Simon above.

Name: Simon Bathgate
Age: 54
Estimated birth year: abt 1807
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Agnes
Gender: Male
Where born: Lauder, Berwickshire
Registration Number: 681
Registration district: Crichton
Civil parish: Crichton
County: Midlothian
Address: Curylea
Occupation: Farmer Of 50 Acres Of Lend And Lime Burnes Employing 7 Men

Hi roodgatherer,

I dont know if this could be him, but if it is why could i not find him on the census for 1851 and 1861???

I will have a further look in to it though as you never know eh!

Thank you for taking time to look this up for me iam very gratful as he is my first and only brick wall, and is very frustrating!!.

Kindest reagrds Tina

Could this be one of your Bathgates? (Found just putting Simon Bathagte into the search facility of the NAS online catalogue.

Reference Title Date
CS228 Court of Session: Unextracted processes, 1st arrangement, Adams-Dalrymple office 1664-1868

Country code GB
Repository code 234
Repository National Archives of Scotland
Reference CS228/C/30/22
Title John Alexander Burn Callender of Westerton and Prestonhall v Simon Bathgate, tenant, Currielea, Crichton parish, Midlothian: Count reckoning and payment
Dates 1863
Access status Open

Description Summons claiming that the defender must lodge correct books and accounts showing the true amount of Lordship due under his lease.
Level File



Photocopies of the items in the catalogue are available but can be quite expensive. If you are able to visit the NAS, 'phone first to check that the papers will be available as some papers are stored elsewhere and it takes a couple of days for them to get them to the search room for you. You can then read through them at no charge and make notes. You need a readers ticket but this is free and can be issued on the day. See their website for the identification that you need to get a readers ticket.

Hi rootgatherer,

Thank you so much for your help,

I take it i can just view online these lists and scroll through till i hopefully find something.

Kind regards Tina

The National Archives of Scotland have the following

HR74 Records of heritors of Tranent Parish 1753-1930

expand HR74/1. HR74/1 Minute Book 1753-1784
expand HR74/2. HR74/2 Minute Book 1785-1824
expand HR74/3. HR74/3 Minute Book 1825-1894
expand HR74/4. HR74/4 Minute Book 1895-1928
expand HR74/5. HR74/5 Minute Book (Scroll) 1908-1928
expand HR74/6. HR74/6 Cash Book 1786-1820
expand HR74/7. HR74/7 Cash Book 1820-1838
expand HR74/8. HR74/8 Cash Book 1838-1839
expand HR74/9. HR74/9 Cash Book 1839-1845
expand HR74/10. HR74/10 Cash Book 1838-1930
expand HR74/11. HR74/11 Cash Book (churchyard) 1912-1925
expand HR74/12. HR74/12 Letter Book 1880-1929
expand HR74/13. HR74/13 Papers re transference of property to Church of Scotland General Trustees 1925-1928
expand HR74/14. HR74/14 Correspondence and Misc. Papers (with Scroll Minutes) 1853-1929
expand HR74/15. HR74/15 Miscellaneous papers comprising: 1827-1928




http://www.nas.gov.uk/onlineCatalogue/

n

HI ellen,

Thank you for this, i never knew about this site.

Thanks again for all your time.

Best wishes Tina

Tina,I think Poor relief records are your best bet.
http://www.nas.gov.uk/guides/poor.asp

HI ellen,

there is no mention of his parents on his first marraige to margaret young, only on his 2nd marraige to Jane reid.

I got all of my records census, birth, death, and marraige from scotlands people centre.

Regards Tina

1861 Census does not say West Indies.on Ancestry

poor Relief Records
You have details of his first marriage?Are parents the same as on 2nd marriage?

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CHRISTINA YOUNG BATHGATE Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth: 24 JUL 1860 Tranent, East Lothian, Scotland

Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: JOHN BATHGATE Family
Mother: MARGARET YOUNG


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C117221 1855 - 1875 6035516 REGISTER Film NONE


Sheet: 00

This from Scotlandspeople will have marriage details on it

Hi ellen,

Yes thank you i have all the information on John and his 2 wives and his children,
its Johns Parents and siblings i cant find anything about or trace them before or after the 1841 census??

Tina

SIMON BATHGATE Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth: 05 MAR 1852

Christening: 02 OCT 1852 Tranent, East Lothian, Scotland

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: JOHN BATHGATE Family
Mother: MARGARET YOUNG


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Messages:
Form submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The form lists the submitter's name and address and may include source information. The address may be outdated. Details vary. To find the form, you must know the batch and sheet number.


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Source Information:
Batch Number: 7506223
Sheet: 10
Source Call No.: 0935371 Type: Film