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Tried looking for John's birth. This is the nearest:

Births Jun 1877 (>99%)

JOYCE John Joseph Manchester 8d 218

Thats the only one I could see to fit Potty.

Thaank you Potty and Fanny ByGaslight, I do have a copy of her 2nd marriage but it is in a box as I am in a middle of a move!

I supose the only thing I can do is order his birth certificate, but I have paid out for other certificates before only to end up with no connection!
What would you two advice?

This looks like the one whose birth I posted - so your John is with the Glitheros in 1891, that birth can't be his

1891 England Census
about John J Joyce
Name: John J Joyce
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester

Civil parish: Brimington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Stockport
Sub-registration district: Stockport Second
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Partride Joyce 46
Bridget Joyce 46
Annie Joyce 26
Leberor Joyce 40
John J Joyce 14

even more confused now!!

I really dont know here.


Try and find her on census with parents in 1851 and try tracking her forwards maybe?

Its not worth getting that Joyce 1877 birth as Potty has identified him on 1891.

hmmm also found
John J Joyce 1875 Ormskirk Preston Lancashire

yes, I saw that Ormskirk birth but didn't think anyone born Ormskirk would give a POB of Manchester. But you never know!

This is very frustrating! Can't find a Ryland/Joyce marriage and can't find a Mary Ryland birth, at least not in Warrington.

I think, Susan, you need to dig out that marriage cert. With Mary's father's name and occupation we might find her on the census.

Potty, am going to hunt through those boxes as this is doing my head in!! and I bet yours and FannyByGaslight's as well lol
Back as soon as I locate the certificate.....

Good,I am so pleased as I hate not getting anywhere as I am sure potty does.

May still have to get nowhere yet though..:)

well hows that 2nd box of paperwork found it!!
Mary's 2nd marriage details

Mary Joyce 36 yrs widow, a green grocer address 135 Rochdale Road, father George Rylands deceased Mechanic

I am still getting nowhere.
Cant find her on 1851 with those fathers details...

Maybe have another look after dinner and a cuppa...

Back again! Maybe these?

Births, all born Prescot Lancashire??
Mary Rylands 1843, Henry 1842
William 1844. Ann 1848, Jane 1852,
Found the above also other Rylands names on Lancashire BMD
This is what I have found so maybe if you can find the family on the Census's

I am sorry,I cant find any of them for sure on 1851.

Baptisms: 8 May 1878 St John the Baptist, Little Hulton, Lancashire, England
John Joyce - Child of Michael Joyce & Mary
Abode: Bridgewater St.
Occupation: Collier
Baptised by: J. Edwd. Gull Vicar
Register: Baptisms 1861 - 1903, Page 53, Entry 421
Source: Original Register Manchester Central Library

maybe?

but

Marriage: 2 Oct 1875 St Mary the Virgin, Deane, Lancashire, England
Michael Joyce - 21 Miner Bachelor of Little Hulton
Mary Wharmby - 21 Weaver Spinster of Little Hulton
Groom's Father: Michael Joyce, Boat Builder
Bride's Father: Moses Wharmby, Miner
Witness: William Bury; Mary Alice Rushton
Married by Banns by: William Bashall Vicar
Notes: [Groom signed 'Micheal']
Register: Marriages 1871 - 1879, Page 139, Entry 278
Source: Microfilm held by Manchester Central Library

1881

JOYCE, Michael Head Married M 27 1854 Coalminer
Ireland
JOYCE, Mary Wife Married F 27 1854 Cotton Weaver
Little Hulton
Lancashire
JOYCE, John Son Single M 4 1877 Scholar
Little Hulton
Lancashire
RG number:
RG11 Piece:
3818 Folio:
88 Page:
12

Registration District:
Bolton Sub District:
Hulton Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Little Hulton Municipal Borough:
Address:
35, Bridgewater St, Little Hulton County:
Lancashire


Shot down in flames...

But good try LK...

Think this one is for the Bermuda Triangle zone with all the other mysteries.

Only just found this thread, so not absorbed it. But might Warrington have been Cheshire, not Lancashire? Don't know if it makes a difference. I've always known it as Cheshire.

Marriages Sep 1879 (>99%)
GLITHERO Samuel Manchester 8d 390
JOYCE Mary Manchester 8d 390

1861 census - household transcription
Person: RYLANCE, Mary
Address: 17, Glass House Row, Warrington
RYLANCE, George Head Married M 52 1809 Discharger Of Vessels
Warrington
Lancashire VIEW
RYLANCE, Sarah Wife Married F 47 1814 Charwoman
Warrington
Lancashire VIEW
RYLANCE, Mary Daughter Unmarried F 19 1842 Frame Tenter Cotton Mill
Warrington
Lancashire VIEW
RYLANCE, Joseph Son Unmarried M 17 1844 Taker In Glass House
Warrington
Lancashire VIEW
RYLANCE, James Son Unmarried M 10 1851 Taker In Glass House
Warrington
Lancashire

1851 census - household transcription
Person: ROYLANCE, Joseph
Address: Bank Quay, Warrington

ROYLANCE, George Head Married M 40 1811 Carder Of Cotton
Warrington
Lancashire VIEW
ROYLANCE, Sarah Wife Married F 40 1811
Warrington
Lancashire VIEW
ROYLANCE, John Son M 17 1834 Carder Of Cotton
Warrington
Lancashire VIEW
ROYLANCE, Susannah Daughter F 16 1835 Carder Of Cotton
Warrington
Lancashire VIEW
ROYLANCE, Mary Daughter F 10 1841 Scholar
Warrington
Lancashire VIEW
ROYLANCE, Joseph Son M 7 1844 Scholar
Warrington
Lancashire VIEW
ROYLANCE, James Son M 0 (11 MOS) 1851
Warrington
Lancashire VIEW
WALKIN, Edward Lodger Unmarried M 43 1808 Labourer At Foundry
Padgate
Lancashire VIEW
JONES, Edward Lodger Widower M 58 1793 Carpenter
At Sea British Subject VIEW
ROYLANCE, George Son M 29 1822 Factory Worker
Warrington
Lancashire