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So why can't we trace her until 1890 ???

Super Sleuths required here please !

Dea Xxx

Harriet is in the 1871 census that I posted on page one, living as "wife" with George Hubball; they are also on the 1881 as Hubbard:


about George Hubbard
Name: George Hubbard
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Harriet
Gender: Male
Where born: St Lukes, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 64 Winston Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Goldsmith

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: Stoke Newington
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Hubbard 44
Harriet Hubbard 43

It's the 1861 where Annie should be with Harriet and possibly William (Wilson?) Tattersall that I just can't find!

Edit: I don't think

Yeah, I have them too Potty but we need to trace her with Wilson/William!

I think I might need a little sleep here!

Dea x

Actually, Dea, I now don't think that is them in 1881! 1871 George is a Steam Sawyer and that the George in that 1881 is a goldsmith. Quite a change of occupation! Although the Birchalls seem to be in the jewellery trade.

That's why I had put them 'to one side' Potty' - they didn't 'feel' quite right??

The 'Sawyer' bit fits but not the goldsmith !

Going to have some food and come back to it !!

Dea x

Potty - I am sure the 1871 you posted is the right one but I can't equate it to the 1881.

Dea x

No Annie with Harriet and George on the 1861

1861 England Census
about Harriet Hubbard
Name: Harriet Hubbard
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: George Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: St Lukes, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Islington St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 138
Household Members: Name Age
George Thomas Hubbard 24
Harriet Hubbard 23

George listed as a Goldsmith

Alittle confused...just come back to this...why do we think George is the father?Or is he the step father?

Nice to see you as this is very complicated.

He is certainly the 'stepfather'

Dea x

EDIT:

Well, having said that, it depends upon when Wilson/William died !!

Dea x

I think the first thing we need to find is the death of Wilson/William Tattersall !!!

Dea x

Gosh this is complicated and confusing! Christine mentioned on page 1 the father being Wilson Thomas Tatterstall...i have this death could this not be him?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Thomas Wilson Tattersall
Name: Thomas Wilson Tattersall
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Year of Registration: 1879
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 50
District: Mile End Old Town
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 340 (click to see others on page)

Good find Michelle !!! - Yes it IS a complicated one !!!

That looks very promising !

Will take a look but have to go off soon.

Many thanks for the info,

Dea Xxx

Based on that Thomas a poss baptism

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Wilson Thomas Tattersall
Name: Wilson Thomas Tattersall
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 15 May 1831
Father's Name: William Tattersall
Mother's Name: Sarah Tattersall
Parish: St Luke, Old Street
Borough: Islington
County: Middlesex

IF he died in 1879,we should be able to find them together on 1861 , otr at least the two on their own???

Help please!

Dea x

Have to go now - will pick up in the morning!!

Dea Xxx

Wonder if this is Wilson(William,Thomas?)

1871 England Census
about Wilton Tattersall
Name: Wilton Tattersall
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: St Luke, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St Luke
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: Old Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 159
Household Members: Name Age
Wilton Tattersall 43
Thomas Tattersall 9

Is listed as Wilson on the image and listed as married and a Watch case turner

OOhh - just caught me Michelle - looks like a good find as I seem to remember that Wilson/William was a Watch Maker.

REALLY must go now but will catch up in the morning.

Well done !!

Dea x

Thanks, although could be wrong? worth posting though. I will see if i can find anything else.

Michelle :)

I have been looking at that 1871 you posted Michelle and I am sure you are right.

Interestingly, I think this birth relates to the son Thomas who he has with him.

Births Mar 1862
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TATTERSALL Wilson Thomas Shoreditch 1c 132

It wish I could see who the mother was - was it Harriet, who was now living with George?

We need to find Annie in 1861 to see where she was - she was not with her mother, if we have the correct George + Harriet there?

I have been searching but I haven't found her as yet.

Dea x

No i haven't found her either, i wonder if she was left off the George and Harriet one? This did happen.
I will look again tonight. The son Wilson Thomas married to a lady called Frances and is seen in later census records.
I wonder if Harriet left Wilson Thomas Senior to live with George?Maybe pregnant with Wilson's son? Who then took over care for him. It is also possible that Wilson had this son with another woman who may have died? Wilson died 1879 so is not on the 1881. I cannot see him on the 1861 at present either.
Good luck!
Be back later

Michelle

Thanks Michelle,

Yes - he married in Hackney as 'Thomas' !!

Marriages Jun 1890 (>99%)
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BOUGHTON Joseph Thomas Hackney 1b 756
***Cartwright Frances Hackney 1b 756
NEVE Alice Maria Hackney 1b 756
***Tattersall Thomas Hackney 1b 756

I wish they would use their 'proper' names.

However, this doesn't help find Annie + others on 1861.

Help anyone please.

Dea x