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Vanessa
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3 Jul 2010 05:40 |
I have this family in 1911 but cant find them prior to this - I think mistranscription may be hounding my efforts but I havent been able to crack it:
ENSOR, Annie 1897 14 M Aston ENSOR, George 1872 39 M Aston ENSOR, George 1905 6 M Aston ENSOR, Kate 1871 40 F Aston ENSOR, Mary Ann 1911 0 F Aston ENSOR, William 1898 13 M Aston
Any help would be much appreciated.
Many thanks Vanessa
>>>>>>>EDIT 12.07.2010: George Ensor b 02.05.1905 - birth cert gives parents as George Ensor, Pearl button Maker & Susannah DuRose. Living at 27 Moorson St, Birmingham
I have found the marriage ref for George & Susannah - Sep 1891, but believe there may be a skeleton in this closet!! Can anyone help find Susannah in 1901 or 1911 please?
Much appreciated
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Penny
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3 Jul 2010 05:49 |
what was George's wifes name? (Sorry, its Kate)
Trying to work out when they were married- cant spot it
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Vanessa
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3 Jul 2010 06:33 |
Hi Minnie - I have looked on FREEBMD and I couldnt find the marriage either! I searched just using George and couldnt find one to any variation of Kate - Kath, Cath etc!
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K
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3 Jul 2010 06:54 |
I can't see the family for reference in 1911. Are they transcribed as you listed them?
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Vanessa
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3 Jul 2010 06:54 |
I have to go out for a few hours now but will check in later in the hope somebody can trace the family.
Thanks in advance for any help you might be able to give.
Vanessa x
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Vanessa
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3 Jul 2010 06:55 |
Hi K
Yes, I did the free search on 1911 census on FMP. Looking for any Ensor living with George Ensor!
Thanks for taking the time to help Vanessa x
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3 Jul 2010 07:00 |
Thanks so this is the whole record - I wonder if Kate's mother was Maria Dobson living with them?
1911 census - household transcription Person: ENSOR, George Address: 56 Lynton Road Aston ENSOR, George Head Married M 39 1872 Pearl Worker Birmingham Warwickshire VIEW ENSOR, Kate Wife Married 16 years F 40 1871 Birmingham Warwickshire VIEW ENSOR, Annie Daughter M 14 1897 Press Worker Aston Birmingham VIEW ENSOR, William Son M 13 1898 School Aston Birmingham VIEW ENSOR, George Son M 6 1905 Aston Birmingham VIEW ENSOR, Mary Ann Daughter F 0 (2 MONTHS) 1911 Aston Birmingham VIEW DODSON, Mary Ann Boarder Widow F 70 1841 Shipton on Stour Worcestershire VIEW DODSON, Maria Boarder Single F 25 1886 Solderer Aston Birmingham VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 18305 Reference: RG14PN18305 RG78PN1102 RD385 SD4 ED36 SN386 Registration District: Aston Sub District: Aston Manor Enumeration District: 36 Parish: Aston Manor Address: 56 Lynton Road Aston County: Warwickshire
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Astra
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3 Jul 2010 07:00 |
From looking at the original on 1911 and the ages of the children I think that this is maybe a second 'marriage' for one or both of them. Living with them as boarders in 1911 are Mary Ann Dodson and Maria Dodson
ENSOR, George Head Married M 39 1872 Pearl Worker Birmingham Warwickshire VIEW ENSOR, Kate Wife Married 16 years F 40 1871 Birmingham Warwickshire VIEW ENSOR, Annie Daughter M 14 1897 Press Worker Aston Birmingham VIEW ENSOR, William Son M 13 1898 School Aston Birmingham VIEW ENSOR, George Son M 6 1905 Aston Birmingham VIEW ENSOR, Mary Ann Daughter F 0 (2 MONTHS) 1911 Aston Birmingham VIEW DODSON, Mary Ann Boarder Widow F 70 1841 Shipton on Stour Worcestershire VIEW DODSON, Maria Boarder Single F 25 1886 Solderer Aston Birmingham VIEW Registration District: Aston Sub District: Aston Manor Enumeration District: 36 Parish: Aston Manor Address: 56 Lynton Road Aston County: Warwickshire
this is them in 1901. There is Catherine and William and Annie
Maria Dodson Age: 16 Estimated birth year: abt 1885 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Francis Mother's Name: Mary A Gender: Female Where born: Aston, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Aston Manor Ecclesiastical parish: Aston Brook St Mary County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Registration district: Aston Sub-registration district: Aston Manor ED, institution, or vessel: 67 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 85 Household Members: Name Age Francis Dodson 62 Mary A Dodson 60 Thomas Dodson 24 >>Catharine Dodson 28>>>>Married Louisa Dodson 17 Maria Dodson 16 Charles Dodson 11>>>>>Grandson George Dodson 28>>>>>>Single Pearl Worker???So has he been bundled in under the family name when he and Catherine and the children should be 'Ensor'??? Or is he a red herring and Kate eventually moved in with George Ensor later. >>Annie Dodson 5>>>>Grandchild >>William Dodson 4>>>>Grandchild
William appears to be registered as Ensor if this is his registration
Births Dec 1897 (>99%) Ensor William Aston 6d 403
Looking back it seems that Dodson was Kate's maiden name
Cate Dolson [Cate Dodson] Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1871 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Francis Mother's Name: Mary Ann Gender: Female Where born: Aston, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Aston County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street Address: No 3 Back No 18 Wharf Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Aston Sub-registration district: Aston Manor ED, institution, or vessel: 31 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Francis Dolson 43 Mary Ann Dolson 40 Amelia Dolson 19 Hary Dolson 17 John Dolson 14 >>Cate Dolson 10 Charles Dolson 7 Thomas Dolson 3 Mary Ann Dolson
Did they eventually marry?
Marriages Mar 1933 (95%) Branch Nellie M Cain Birmingham 6d 259 CAIN James H Branch Birmingham 6d 259 >>Dodson Katherine Ensor Birmingham 6d 259 >>Ensor George Dodson Birmingham 6d 259
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Vanessa
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3 Jul 2010 23:15 |
Hi Astra
Thank you soo much for taking the time to look at these for me. I think I only checked for marriages as far as 1930 - just my luck it was 1933! I would say almost definitely that that is them.
I saw that birth reg for William too but couldnt find one to tie in for Annie - will have another look now and see what I can find.
Once again thank you for your help. Now to find George in 1891!! Can anyone help?
Vanessa x
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Vanessa
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4 Jul 2010 01:08 |
Try as I might, with my limited access, I cannot find George Ensor (1872) in the 1891 census - would appreciate any further help!
Thanks in advance Vanessa
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K
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4 Jul 2010 05:51 |
1891
Name: George Ensor Age: 19 Estimated birth year: abt 1872 Relation: Son Father's Name: Silas Mother's Name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Aston Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter and St Paul Town: Aston County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Aston Sub-registration district: Aston Manor ED, institution, or vessel: 40 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Silas Ensor 47 Ann Ensor 44 George Ensor 19 Lizzie Ensor 15 Leah Ensor 15 Flossy Ensor 10 Lydia Ensor 8
They all worked making Pearl Buttons and were born in Birmingham
1881 Name: George Ensor Age: 9 Estimated birth year: abt 1872 Relation: Son Father's Name: Silas Mother's Name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street Address: 2 CT 2 House Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 26 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Silas Ensor 38 Ann Ensor 36 William Ensor 18 Alice Ensor 16 Harriett Ensor 13 George Ensor 9 Lizzie Ensor 6 Leah Ensor 4 Florence E. Ensor 9 mnths
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Vanessa
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4 Jul 2010 06:43 |
Hi K
Thanks so much again! Where did u find that? I used the free search on FMP using George Ensor 1872 +/- 2yrs and nothing! Im doing something wrong somewhere. Also searched for any ensor living with george ensor!!
Sooo frustrating but so grateful to you.
Thanks Vanessa
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K
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4 Jul 2010 06:51 |
I was using Ancestry and it came up straightaway and was not mistranscribed - do you need early censuses for Silas and family?
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Vanessa
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4 Jul 2010 08:07 |
OOOOhhhh yes please k, if you dont mind that would be very useful!
Thanks so much Vanessa x
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4 Jul 2010 08:25 |
1871
Name: Silas Ensor Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1843 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen Town: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 34 Household schedule number: 200 Household Members: Name Age Silas Ensor 28 Ann Ensor 25 William Ensor 8 Allice Ensor 5 Harriett Ensor 3 Frederick Ensor 1 Maryann Poole 22 Boarder
1851
Name: Silas Ensor Age: 7 Estimated birth year: abt 1844 Relation: Son Father's Name: Silas Mother's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 32 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 56 Household Members: Name Age Silas Ensor 43 b Birmingham Pearl Button Turner Elizabeth Ensor 42 b Sutton Coalfield Frederick Ensor 18 Henry Ensor 13 Phoebe Ensor 9 Silas Ensor 7 Elizabeth Ensor 5 Charles Ensor 1
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Vanessa
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4 Jul 2010 08:27 |
Thanks Colin, nice to know i havent totally lost the plot!
Vanessa
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Vanessa
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4 Jul 2010 08:30 |
Thanks for your continued input K! Got a lot to research and only a year to do it, so the help of all is much appreciated!
Vanessa x
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K
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4 Jul 2010 08:32 |
I can't see Silas and family post 1891 althougth Silas does still appear to be alive in 1911
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Vanessa
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4 Jul 2010 08:40 |
This all gives me so much to work on - I really cant thank you enough! Vanessa x
P.S Please feel free to add ;0)
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Vanessa
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13 Jul 2010 05:08 |
n - any help would be very gratefully received!
Thanks in advance Vanessa
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