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Sylvia - and where there were no housemaids -!!!

Rene

sisters?????????



don't forget that in many places the fact that a woman had children or was pregnant was considered excellent because it showed that she was fecund, and there would be grandchildren to help support the oldsters.


This was seemingly particularly favourable in many farming communities,

My eldest sister was born before my mothers marriage so Mum gave her surname as the fathers - and her father as my sisters father ! Trying not to advertise she was not married - not realizing it would seem later that her child was a progeny of incest - when she was not

Rene

Michael


vicars sometimes did note down the father of the baby if they knew it ................ it could be in the margin of the register. That's why it is sometimes said that it is important to look at the actual register, if at all possible (obviously not for those of us overseas).


Yours obviously believed in naming names!!


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oh dear, that is sad Rene ..... because it obviously cannot be corrected, and 10 generations down the road will not know the truth.



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I have travelled a lot on the census round Cardiganshire and the most populous place for illegit children I have found in the region is Tregaron.

I was speaking of it to an older gent one day and he said.

Tregaron?

Half of them dont know who their fathers were and the other half dont know who their mothers were !

Reason

Because if the lady of the house could not get pregnant then the farmer would get the maidservant pregnant and farmers wife would make herself look pregnant and then reg the child as theirs..!

Thats what he said and he was from that way.

Horrible thought indeed Michael,but happened often.

As did brother getting sister pregnant as they were all in the one room and often in the same bed up until they left home.

Thank Evans things are a little better now..

Typical Welsh ;

And where were the sheep when this was going on??


ja...x

JB like it then is he Gins??

Hiding if they knew what was good for them Ja...x

lol!!

Dont even ask what JB was like today in B&Q...he only tried to pay for most items twice

Me, and the girl working on the self pay tills....couldnt stop exchanging lots of non verbal


He said.... 'I want to make sure I pay for everything'

Oh dear...

Oooo the talk of sheep brought something to mind (True I know as one of my sons worked for him for a while)

Sylvia 

I have recorded all our family history and stories / explanation / photos in an album - there will be 15 copies held in 6 different countries - counting Scotland as a country - which it is - so hopefully one will survive for 10 generations 

When I really think about my tree - 2 ag.labs in tiny Dorset villages - who could not read or write - started a family line that over 300 years later has over 450 descendants ( actually a slightly less because of "in laws" ) currently living in 6 different countries 

It is quite an achievement - one I will not replicate 

Rene 

Rene

Can i just correct you....

"It is quite an achievement - one I will not replicate "

Can i just say, are you stating the obvious?? Now i know it's late but even i knows you ned 2 to replicate.....

:-)

Init .....


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Sylvia ... R wasn't much up for the objections, it was just meant to be helpful advice, you know ...

But we all know who just love to take the opportunity.


On the sons and housemaids: yes, and my gr-grmother was one of those housemaids.

There's a Master Lewis somewhere in the Nottingham area in the 1891 who is the "father" of my lovely Auntie Dud, whose stepfather (my gr-grfather) rejected her in every way possible (no surname, no family photos), and who lived out her life in rented rooms, having at least the good fortune of sisters and nieces and nephews (me until I was four) who loved her, and of working until retirement in a modern (early 1900s) biscuit and candy factory in Ontario with decent working conditions. Better than being a housemaid in Nottingham, anyhow.

(I've identified a couple of Lewis families in the 1891 with servants, so it's likely one of them.)


Re fathers being the "fathers" of their daughters' children -- I think of that not infrequently, it was in all likelihood more common than we'd ever like to think, and it does come to mind sometimes when I'm looking at a 19th century child whose father is a total mystery. What a brutish life to have had to lead.

Sandford Orcas.

My paternal side Ag Labs way back came from there Rene and the line still remain farmers today.

Who deleted??

Not me - not deleted

- gave up - replicating - had a lovely time - "replicating" when I was younger - remarried a 25 year old when I was 40 - he still my darling toy boy at 50 - but I gave up the replicating - he is a poorly darling toy boy now

Rene

Fans

you deleted part of your post on the farmer!


Janey .................. yes, I know there are ones who take advantage of such postings.




I sometimes think of the family I found for someone a couple of years ago.

Man married young woman, one child, wife dies after about 2 years. A couple of years later, he re-married wife's sister


somehow (I forget how I did it now), I found the first wife's death was due to syphilis



she was only 21 or 22 when she died.


so how and when did she get syphilis to be so advanced at such a young age??




sylvia

So Rene,what you been doing to make him a

"he is a poorly darling toy boy now "

Hmmmm??

Tuts.

I got a crock of a Toy Boy too,but he came like it,so not my doing,no Tuts for me.
But he is only 2 yrs younger.

I obviously didnt have your looks or money to get a younger one.:))

Mind you there have been...Nope wont go there about my misspent 30s..

Decided that discretion was the better part of whatever it is with the naughty farmer story,you know how easy it is to upset folks on here Gins,

And she may well have been born with Syphilis Gins,many were.

Rene

I wasn't thinking of family, or at least not of direct family....... I was thinking of other people who might chase up the names.


liek we do on here lol!



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